Re: What about VYTORIN?

From: outrider (outrider_at_despammed.com)
Date: 12/01/04 

Date: 30 Nov 2004 16:08:25 -0800

Steve Marcus wrote:
> "outrider" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:1101810258.525220.175120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Steve Marcus wrote:
> >> "outrider" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1101797223.733657.183750@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Janis wrote:
> >> >> Ok, we see a lot about Crestor and other cholesterol lowering
> >> > medications but
> >> >> what about VYTORIN? Is this one just too new and they don't
know
> > as
> >> > much about
> >> >> bad side effects? I have been taking Crestor and my doctor is
> > about
> >> > to switch
> >> >> me to VYTORIN. I'm just curious if anyone here has taken it or
> > has
> >> > any input
> >> >> about it. I need to do more research for sure.
> >> >
> >> > Read "beachhouse" and "rind" on Vytorin.
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6njgm
> >> >
> >>
> >> You should indeed read the above as recommended. But, when you
do,
> > read it
> >> with care. Here's a quote from "David Rind":
> >>
> >> Actually, I think you could go further than that. There's no
> > published
> >> evidence that ezitimibe, one part of the combination being
discussed,
> > has
> >> any clinical benefits either alone or in combination with other
drugs
> > for
> >> cholesterol. It has been shown to reduce LDL levels, but that is
not
> > the
> >> same as showing that it has a favorable effect on clinical
outcomes.
> > (There
> >> are no trials showing it doesn't have clinical benefits either. No
> > clinical
> >> endpoint trials have been published.)"
> >>
> >> That's about as disingenuous a post as one is likely to read on
> > Usenet.
> >> First, Zetia, (ezitimibe) _has_ been shown to block absorption of
> >> cholesterol in the digestive tract. Second, reduction of LDL
levels
> > _has_
> >> been shown, *in general*, to produce favorable effects on clinical
> > outcomes;
> >> there's no need to show that reduction of LDL _by ezitimibe_
produces
> >
> >> favorable effects on clinical outcomes.
> >>
> >> While it's easy to recommend that you study up on medicines, which
> > everyone
> >> should do, one has to be very careful about doing so by reading
> > Usenet.
> >>
> >> <balance snipped.>
> >
> >
> >
> > balance replaced:
> >
> > And read here for information on Crestor and other statins:
> >
http://www.medicationsense.com/articles/july_sept_04/crestor_truth.html
> >
> >
> > You do need to research any med a physician suggests you take. I
say
> > suggests, because physicians are only your consultants. They are
not
> > responsible for your health; you are.
> >
> > Research here:
> > www.pubmed.org
> > www.ti.ubc.ca
> > www.medicalconsumers.org
> >
> > Zee
>
> For the record, the balance was snipped because the poster (Janis) to
whom
> Zee responded asked about Vytorin, and not about "Crestor and other
> statins."
>
> The lack of any comment by Zee regarding the quality of the
information
> about Vytorin *which Zee recommended to Janis" is duly noted.
>

For future reference you can assume if I don't comment I think your
bonehead post is a waste of my time. If I think you've said something
that shows me my post was incorrect, I'll acknowledge that, and if
you've also said something I don't understand, I'll ask for your help
with informing me.

I agree with what Rind, beachhouse and Harris have to say on the
subject of Vytorin and Ezetimibe.

The rest of my post which you removed and I returned is regarding where
Janis can get some good information in her quest to learn more and come
to her own decision, which may differ from both your opinion, choices;
and mine.

Zee