Re: What about VYTORIN?

From: Steve Marcus (smarcus_spamout__at_cox.net)
Date: 12/01/04 

Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:47:27 -0500

"outrider" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:1101912892.198936.38820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> This is not about scoring points Steve. It's about education.

True. However, *your posts make it appear otherwise*. You post *your*
position. Then you refuse to discuss it further. By eliminating the
discussion you limit the "education" on a given topic to *your* point of
view (which is congruent with the point of view of your sources). However,
*your* POV isn't always correct, no matter how many sources you might find
that seem to support it.

>
> I'm under no obligation to respond to you or argue with you when we
> disagree.

You are under no obligation to do anything at all.. However, assuming that
you have in fact undertaken to be in the education business, and that you
are not merely in the propaganda business, it would seem that you are
obligated to *discuss* your position. Which you refuse to do. The
implication of that refusal is ...?

> Nor am I under any obligation to respond to every comment you
> make if I do respond.

If "every comment" I make is a discussion of your position, your sources,
etc., then see above. Again, if you are trying to teach, you need to
discuss what you are teaching, because the mere fact that you expound
something doesn't make you correct.

>
> You disagree with what Rind has said. Fine. Take it up with him. I
> don't disagree with what he said.

Why don't you disagree with what he said? If you are in the education
business, that's the crux of the matter. Or do you expect Janis (and
others) to simply accept what *you* say? Wouldn't Janis learn a bit more,
and be a bit more confident of what she had learned, if there were a
thorough discussion rather than a simple ipse dixit?

I can find credentialed sources that claim to be able to prevent and/or cure
cardiac problems by laying on hands. If I were answering someone's question
about that topic, would it be sufficient to cite those sources, state I
don't disagree with them and then ignore any comment that questions what the
sources say? Is that the philosophy of eductation to which you subscribe?

> And I think he has made a good point
> that Janis (and anyone) should consider.

Why? His point is that there are no "clinical endpoint trials" for Zetia.
However, there are clinical trials which demonstrate, rather conclusively,
the importance of LDL levels being low (yes, it's statistical data, and so
there will always be data points outside of the bell curve) and trials which
have yet to show that Zetia causes harm. Is it logical to test the drug for
10 years to see if more than a statistically insignificant percentage of the
population might develop nonreversible side effects? After 10 years of
successful trials, should we then wait 20 years to be sure?

>
> The article on Crestor discusses the drawbacks and benefits of all the
> statins. I think it's very balanced.
>
> http://www.medicationsense.com/articles/july_sept_04/crestor_truth.html

Besides the point. I snipped the Crestor material because it was off topic
with respect to Janis' question.

> Zee
>

Steve 

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