Re: What about VYTORIN?

From: outrider (outrider_at_despammed.com)
Date: 12/01/04 

Date: 1 Dec 2004 12:41:46 -0800

Your posts to me, your manner of addressing me, your language, is
consistently abusive. I do not respond to abusive posts. I have noticed
you don't take this approach with Rind. Harris. Or beachhouse.

If you pay attention to what I do you'll see I do engage with people
who correct me and inform me, but do not do so not abusively.

I would no more engage in continuing dialogue with you Steve than I
would with someone behaving abusively toward me in person.

Zee

Steve Marcus wrote:
> "outrider" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:1101912892.198936.38820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > This is not about scoring points Steve. It's about education.
>
> True. However, *your posts make it appear otherwise*. You post
*your*
> position. Then you refuse to discuss it further. By eliminating the

> discussion you limit the "education" on a given topic to *your* point
of
> view (which is congruent with the point of view of your sources).
However,
> *your* POV isn't always correct, no matter how many sources you might
find
> that seem to support it.
>
> >
> > I'm under no obligation to respond to you or argue with you when we
> > disagree.
>
> You are under no obligation to do anything at all.. However,
assuming that
> you have in fact undertaken to be in the education business, and that
you
> are not merely in the propaganda business, it would seem that you are

> obligated to *discuss* your position. Which you refuse to do. The
> implication of that refusal is ...?
>
> > Nor am I under any obligation to respond to every comment you
> > make if I do respond.
>
> If "every comment" I make is a discussion of your position, your
sources,
> etc., then see above. Again, if you are trying to teach, you need to

> discuss what you are teaching, because the mere fact that you expound

> something doesn't make you correct.
>
> >
> > You disagree with what Rind has said. Fine. Take it up with him. I
> > don't disagree with what he said.
>
> Why don't you disagree with what he said? If you are in the
education
> business, that's the crux of the matter. Or do you expect Janis (and

> others) to simply accept what *you* say? Wouldn't Janis learn a bit
more,
> and be a bit more confident of what she had learned, if there were a
> thorough discussion rather than a simple ipse dixit?
>
> I can find credentialed sources that claim to be able to prevent
and/or cure
> cardiac problems by laying on hands. If I were answering someone's
question
> about that topic, would it be sufficient to cite those sources, state
I
> don't disagree with them and then ignore any comment that questions
what the
> sources say? Is that the philosophy of eductation to which you
subscribe?
>
> > And I think he has made a good point
> > that Janis (and anyone) should consider.
>
> Why? His point is that there are no "clinical endpoint trials" for
Zetia.
> However, there are clinical trials which demonstrate, rather
conclusively,
> the importance of LDL levels being low (yes, it's statistical data,
and so
> there will always be data points outside of the bell curve) and
trials which
> have yet to show that Zetia causes harm. Is it logical to test the
drug for
> 10 years to see if more than a statistically insignificant percentage
of the
> population might develop nonreversible side effects? After 10 years
of
> successful trials, should we then wait 20 years to be sure?
>
> >
> > The article on Crestor discusses the drawbacks and benefits of all
the
> > statins. I think it's very balanced.
> >
> >
http://www.medicationsense.com/articles/july_sept_04/crestor_truth.html
>
> Besides the point. I snipped the Crestor material because it was off
topic
> with respect to Janis' question.
>
> > Zee
> >
>
> Steve
> --
> The above posting is neither a legal opinion nor legal advice,
> because we do not have an attorney-client relationship, and
> should not be construed as either. This posting does not
> represent the opinion of my employer, but is merely my personal
> view. To reply, delete _spamout_ and replace with the numeral 3

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