Re: Dr. Atkins' Dietetic Revolution: Mu Critique?

From: Bob Mauri (ctviggen.y_at_adelphia.net)
Date: 12/10/04 

Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:24:43 -0500

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:20:34 +0100, Mirek Fídler <cxl@volny.cz> wrote:

>>> Is this claim of yours still based on single croatian study?
>>
>> The biochemistry of hyperketonemia causing higher rates of lipid
>> peroxidation (via increased production of reactive oxygen species or
>> ROS) has been confirmed multiple times by more than one independent
>> group.
>
> Actually, I tend to agree with you about this topic, I was just curious
> if
> there is something else to read about it...
>
> In the end, in a very simplified way, if ketones are there to substitute
> glucose (not quite correct, but let us say so), and we all know that
> high
> glucose levels are dangerous, it seems to be logical that high ketone
> levels
> are dangerous too.

No, it doesn't at all. While it may be true, just because glucose is bad
does not infer that ketones are bad.

> Anyway, now the question is what level of ketones is dangerous and how
> much
> carbs you need to avoid it... I guess that with more than 70g/day you
> will
> hardly exceed 1mmol/dl... From what I know, some people are unable to
> pass
> this limit even at "atkins induction" levels, as there is quite effective
> insulin feedback mechanism... (which, surprisingly, seems to work well
> even
> for TypeII diabetics - perhaps much slower absorbtion of fat is the
> cause).
>
> In any case it seems very stupid to me to overeat fat just to get better
> ketostick results...
>
>> President Clinton's recent experience with low-carbing would be a new
>> development.

So, clogged arteries occur after only a few months of a diet? And not
because he's relatively old? (If there's one truth about clogged
arteries, it's the older you get, the more likely you are to have them.)

> Actually, IF Clinton's recent experience was caused by dietary
> hyperketonemia, THEN he was NOT following his choosen plan (SB diet is
> non-ketogenic).
>
> Mirek
>
> 

-- 
Bob in CT

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Hypoglycemia and Vomiting
    ... carb to clear the liver of stored glucose. ... The endocrine responses to a hypo can fail ... "Ketones are the by-product of fat converted to glucose." ... Do you at least agree that when my blood sugar went low and fat was ...
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  • Re: Hypoglycemia and Vomiting
    ... clear the liver of stored glucose. ... If you were showing moderate ketones ... be converted to glucose to raise the blood sugar at the same time the ... the ketone presence) the body won't burn fat fast enough to help you. ...
    (alt.support.diabetes)
  • Re: Keto Care test strips from CVS
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    (alt.support.diabetes)
  • Re: Its HOW you eat, not just WHAT you eat
    ... vague, "leafy stuff," offers is dietary fiber, which is very good for the digestive tract, but doesn't supply energy. ... Protein is a steady source of glucose, too, one that does not cause blood glucose spikes. ... down fats into ketones. ...
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  • Re: Evidence, honesty, and common sense.
    ... the presencs of high blood glucose levels -- something not likely to happen after eating a pork chop with cauliflower. ... When inadequate carbohydrates are available into the blood stream, the blood sugar is low, and the cells aren't getting enough, so they produce ketones as well. ... exercised muscle, this requires insulin. ...
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