Heart contents WAS:Re: Classic 2 1/4 Pound Diet Got Peary to the Pole

From: Bob (this one) (Bob_at_nospam.com)
Date: 12/18/04 

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:40:12 -0500

Mirek Fídler wrote:

> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> píse v
> diskusním príspevku
> news:1103319354.3e787084e80072c29bc446d4aa18be24@teranews...
>
>> "Mirek Fídler" wrote:
>>
>>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> píse v
>>> diskusním príspevku
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In truth, those who oppose the freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>>> others trying the 2PD Approach have spiritual
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues rather than issues about water.

In all the criticisms of the 2PD I've seen, I can't recall a single
one that opposes the freedom ot others to do it. What I do recall is
lots of questions and lots of quibbles and objections to the idea and
the explanations.

>>>>>>>> No. I do not know what is in your heart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you know what is in heart of those opposing 2PD
>>>>>>> then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not *except* when they reveal it either by what they
>>>>>> write, say or do.

And what's in their hearts is utterly, absolutely irrelevant to their
objections to the simplistic and indefensible posture of only
measuring weight without regard for caloric density. And if that
"common sense" business is to avoid calorically dense foods, then the
final analysis says its about calories.

>>>>> I have written a lot of posts already. Why do you know what
>>>>> is in heart of anybody else than me?
>>>>
>>>> It seems you have thus far chosen not to reveal what is in
>>>> your heart.
>>>
>>> Are among those that express concerns about 2PD approach and
>>> water content or caloric density others that chosen not to
>>> reveal what is their heart or am I alone?
>>
>> The vociferous ones such as Bob Pastorio seem unable to hide what
>> is in their heart.

Not only have I not tried to hide it, I've stated it repeatedly. In my
heart, I have contempt for liars, dissemblers, charlatans, quacks and
frauds. I have just as much contempt for superficial notions about
human biology shouted from the rooftops for personal glory rather than
benefit to others. I have scorn for diversionary tactics that are
designed to evade accountability of statements made. I have abiding
sneers for people like Chung who play word games and deny they're
playing word games.

But when all is said and done, what's in my heart for Chung and his
smarmy tactics and shabby morality shouldn't be any sort of mystery,
nor should it require any special sort of "discernment." I've laid it
all out, loud, clear and full.

I have deep respect for people who speak truths without dissembling or
trying to avoid precision. I admire people who delve until the
framework of the idea is largely exposed and subject to evaluation and
conclusions. I admire ideas that are complete and account for most of
the questions that can be raised against them. I respect ideas based
on demonstrable fact rather than unfalsifiable belief, particularly
when the evidence against them is overwhelming, like a global flood or
a single "Eve" from whom all modern humans are descended.

The 2PD is a silly, superficial idea based on a typically
misunderstood notion from Chung who claims he got the spark for it
from an IMAX movie. Further information from the very people the movie
was about hasn't moved him to ponder considering a new look at it.

And Chung seems unable to deal with what's written on the screen
without doing all his shucking and jiving about religion and
discernment and uncovering all his paranoiac delusions... while still
not dealing with the *facts* about nutrition and truthfulness.

He has stated and restated that it's ok to lie to people about the
caloric content of foods. He has stated caloric information that is
absolutely contradicted by the USDA analyses. He has stated wrong
information about caloric usage and wildly understated the actual
usage in a 5-mile run.

> Anyway, Bob is not the only person opposing 2PD.

I don't actually oppose it. I've said it could be useful in certain
limited conditions. When all is said and done, it's merely another
variant on stapling a stomach - the whole point of that operation is
to limit quantity and it works in specific, extreme settings.

I oppose the hucksterish marketing of the 2PD wherein it's absolute
and infallible and perfect for everybody.

>>> Why do you think that I have chosen not to reveal what is in my
>>> heart?
>>
>> You actually do not seem passionately opposed to the 2PD
>> Approach.
>
> I am not passionately opposed. I have repeated many times that I
> believe that it might work for many people.
>
> What I am opposed to is simple view of reality (expressed with your
> "truth is simple" slogan). What I am opposed to is 100% / 0%
> claims.

Simplistic visions breed simplistic conclusions. That astounding lack
of inquiry from Chung who claims to be a scientist gives all the proof
necessary for the solidity of his unexamined ideas. Leap to a
conclusion and never, never waver from it. There's a difference
between upholding an idea that has been well-reasoned in the face of
questions and considerations and sheer intransigent stubbornness.

> (OTOH the question once again is how you define success. Can be
> Mu's recent regain of weight be qualified as failure? Or you define
> success only as long as person sticks with plan? Will you exclude
> his relative failure because he is actually not following exact
> version?)
>
>> Perhaps things would be different if you were.
>
> Perhaps I start to understand. Is "passionately" the keyword? I
> believe not everybody speaking about water content and caloric
> density is "passionately" opposed.

Chung plays these interesting games: If you ask him a question, he
answers it to suit himself, not the questioner. His answers are
frequently assertions, not facts. His pronouncements are usually
rendered as absolutes with nothing supporting them in evidence.
Anything that opposes *anything* he says is assumed to oppose
*everything* he says. So if you think the 2PD is unproven, it's
anti-Christian. His hubris is uncanny.

What's in my heart is certainly no secret.

Bob