Re: Red Meat NO GOOD, Veggies no protection.... NOW WHAT?

From: usual suspect (support_at_our.troops)
Date: 01/12/05 

Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:35:15 GMT

cardboardjustice@aol.com wrote:
> The fruit and vegetable study, also published in the same journal
> included more than 285,000 European woman. It found that fruit and
> vegetable consumption did not protect against developing breast
> cancer.
>
>
> "We can't even eat enough food to get the antioxidants we need .. "
>
> The question would / should be .. the study of European women did NOT
> address whether or not they are STILL eating .. meat ..?

It's irrelevant. Other studies have shown *increased* incidence (albeit
with a wide confidence interval) of breast cancer among vegetarian women.

         We found that a vegetarian diet was associated with a 15%
         reduction in mortality from ischaemic heart disease. This was
         *NOT SIGNIFICANT* and was LESS THAN the roughly 30% reductions
         REPORTED IN EARLIER ANALYSES of this cohort.... A vegetarian
         diet was also associated with a *SIGNIFICANT INCREASE* in
         mortality from breast cancer. However, the confidence interval
         was wide.... The numbers of deaths for individual cancer sites
         were small and the mortality ratios have wide confidence
         intervals. The 41% reduction in mortality from lung cancer
         associated with daily consumption of fresh fruit was *NOT
         SIGNIFICANT*....
         http://tinyurl.com/4q6fe

> .. high
> absorption of .. iron .. at ALL times of iron status .. whether we need
> the iron or not .. it is .. absorbed .. at .. a .. high .. rate .. /
> heme iron !!

Stop with the idiotic ellipses. Heme iron is the easiest for the body to
use, you lame twit.

> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!

Oh was he? Why did he say that it's what comes out of a person's mouth
that makes him unclean instead of what goes in? Also, why did he help
(or "enable") fishermen?

     When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, "Put out into
     deep water, and let down the nets for a catch."

     Simon answered, "Master, we've worked hard all night and haven't
     caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the
     nets."

     When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish
     that their nets began to break. So they signaled their partners
     in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and
     filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

     When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go
     away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!" For he and all his
     companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had
     taken...
     Luke 5:4-9 (cp. John 21 for similar post-resurrection account)

He fed fish to hungry followers:
     Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion
     for these people; they have already been with me three days and
     have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or
     they may collapse on the way."

     His disciples answered, "Where could we get enough bread in this
     remote place to feed such a crowd?"

     "How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked.

     "Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish."

     He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the
     seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he
     broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to
     the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the
     disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were
     left over.
     -- Mathew 15:32-37

He also ate fish himself -- making him at least pescetarian (see below
for his participation in the Pesach):
     When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And
     while they still did not believe it because of joy and
     amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?"
     They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate
     it in their presence.
     -- Luke 24:40-43

Fact: his disciples weren't ARAs, they were fishermen. Fact: he went out
with them. Fact: he told them where and when to find fish. Fact: he fed
fish to others. Fact: he ate fish himself.

Consider the Passover seder:
     On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was
     customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked
     him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you
     to eat the Passover?"

     So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the
     city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow
     him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks:
     Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my
     disciples?' He will show you a large upper room, furnished and
     ready. Make preparations for us there."

     The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as
     Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
     -- Mark 14:12-16

Did he forbid the lamb? No, he and his disciples partook in the custom
of killing and eating a lamb on Pesach. Even if you refuse to accept the
fish and lamb, consider the following:
     A man with leprosy came to him and begged him on his knees, "If
     you are willing, you can make me clean."

     Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched
     the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately the
     leprosy left him and he was cured.

     Jesus sent him away at once with a strong warning: "See that you
     don't tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest
     and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your
     cleansing, as a testimony to them."
     Mark 1:40-44

So Christ commanded animal sacrifice on at least one occasion. And why
did Mary and Joseph offer sacrifices upon the birth of Jesus?

Jesus was NOT vegetarian, nor did he do anything consistent with the
animal rights or "vegan" position. People who make such claims pervert
the truth for their own peculiar agendas. It's not called "scholarship"
when they do that, it's called propaganda. It's disrespectful,
disingenuous, and deceitful. People who want to make positive change in
the world -- for their fellow man or for the beasts -- need to start
from a point of honesty. You have patently failed to do that.

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