Re: Is Plavix Really Better Than Aspirin?
From: Steve Marcus (smarcus_spamout__at_cox.net)
Date: 01/29/05
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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:03:07 -0500
"Zee" <zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You have been answered repeatedly. But I will respond to this once
> more: I have never advocated for the removal of statins. It is not
> something I have ever thought about or persued. I do not even know if
> that is possible in my country.
>
> I will no longer read or respond to your posts.
>
> Zee
>
>
Here is a URL in which Zee posted a copy of a recall petition for Crestor:
This post seems to me to evidence support for the position that the drug
Crestor, which has been shown to cause harmful (very dangerously so) side
effects in some people who have taken it, should be taken off the market.
For Zee to claim that she has "never advocated for the removal of statins"
is at worst extremely disingenuous, and at best demonstrable of an inability
to communicate what she really means (did she mean never avocated for the
removal of *all* statins or never advocated for the removal of *any*
statin?). Or did posting the link to the petition, followed by posting the
petition itself and posting any article that came her way regarding recall
of Crestor indicate a neutral position?
In short, in my previous post, I noted that Zee was apologizing for some of
her writing which she conceded was "badly" (her word) done and which "
apparently" (her word) "confused some people" (her words). I pointed out
that she had taken me to task for questioning the very post for which she
now saw fit to apologize for. At the end of my previous post, I gave my
personal medical situation, the drugs I take and how I have interacted with
my doctors. I then posted some very simple questions including "Should any
drug that is beneficial for millions, but which *may* cause side effects in
a minority of those taking it, be "pulled" from the market?" Rather than
answer that question, and other questions like it, Zee now resorts to the
kill file.
So my advice is simply this: People should by all means read what she
posts, and heed what she writes if they find it persuasive. But before
anyone acts based upon anything she writes, people would be prudent to
evaluate her credibility based upon this sort of behavior she has displayed
in this post, and should then do their own research, ask their doctors
questions and demand answers and then ask about where they can obtain
published support for those answers.
Steve
-- The above posting is neither a legal opinion nor legal advice, because we do not have an attorney-client relationship, and should not be construed as either. This posting does not represent the opinion of my employer, but is merely my personal view. To reply, delete _spamout_ and replace with the numeral 3 > > answered. As early as one year ag > Steve Marcus wrote: >> "Zee" <zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1106952425.474070.287090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Don Kirkman wrote: >> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Jim Chinnis wrote in article >> >> <939jv0h9rn1gc65jft2ue7cs91iukjduek@4ax.com>: >> >> >> >> >"Zee" <zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote in part: >> >> >> >> >>Indeed it does Donny me boy. The purpose of posting it *now*, in >> > all >> >> >>its redundancy, was to show Chinnis Esq. that there are many > things >> >> >>that can come between your statin and your busy, busy P450; >> > including >> >> >>any of those drugs you may be taking concurrently. With, or >> > without, >> >> >>grapefruit, Seville oranges, tangelos, pomelos, and maybe > kumquats. >> >> >> >> >>And because the article was new, and several posters to the > group >> > are. >> >> >>Too. I thought to post it. All. >> >> >> >> >I have no problem at all with Zee posting all that stuff. I think >> > most >> >> >people here who aren't aware of it (like the physicians) will >> > benefit >> >> >from it. >> >> >> >> Nor do I, Jim. I was putting her post together with what she had >> >> written earlier about Plavix >> >> >> >> "Not one of those injured, including me, took that amount. Still, > we >> >> were injured. If it is not metabolized properly, for whatever > reason, >> >> who knows how much is actually floating around in my system? I ate > a >> >> Seville orange, had a glass of grapefruit juice, already had liver >> >> problems (from my statins use?) drank alcohol, took other > medications >> >> concurrently...." >> >> >> >> and noted that grapefruit juice was part of the diet, from which I >> > infer >> >> that it's hard to blame Plavix alone (or statins mutatis mutandis) >> > for >> >> the results without considering the effects of grapefruit juice > (and >> >> perhaps the alcohol?). >> > >> > What I was trying to say: Hard to blame anything alone because >> > apparently all those things, and some I didn't mention affect that >> > P450. So who takes only a statin without also taking some of the > others >> > perhaps? Our OP was taking a statin AND plavix. >> > >> > None of that list applies to me. I was using the personal pronoun > for >> > effect. But I did it badly, apparently, and confused some people. > Mea >> > Culpa. >> > >> > Zee >> >> Even though not directed to me, I'll take your last three sentences > as an >> apology, since I have been attacked by you after raising the the > issue with >> you first. >> >> And I'll note for the record: >> >> I'm taking Plavix, *and* aspirin *and* coumadin, along with a statin, > a >> combination Beta blocker/Alpha blocker, a folic acid supplier, > Vitamin C and >> thyroid hormone. (I used to take vitamin A and vitamin E, but after >> checking with my cardiologist following studies that seemed to > indicate >> either no benefit or substantial ill effects from taking those > vitamins, I >> no longer do *on his advice*.) No side effects have been noted. I > am able >> to exercise regularly (weight training and aerobics on alternate > days, 5 or >> 6 times/week), have cholesterol levels maintained within guidelines > for >> those with coronary artery disease, have no reduction in my ejection >> fraction from the level it was reduced to from my earlier infarcs, > work a >> full time job with no loss of cognitive abilities, have no > enlargement of >> the heart, and maintain a normal lifestyle. Even with an implanted >> difibrillator to safe guard against an onset of ventricular > tachycardia (a >> side effect of the earlier infarcs). In no instance of contact with > any >> physician with respect to any of the above matters was there a > failure to >> caution me about side effects, things to avoid to preclude drug >> interactions, and limitations on what I could and could not do in > day-to-day >> life and in the gym. >> >> Now: am I the exception or the rule? How do you know? Which > studies >> support your answer? Is there an excuse for anyone under a > physician's care >> failing to ask questions, or for tolerating a refusal to answer? > Should any >> drug that is beneficial for millions, but which *may* cause side > effects in >> a minority of those taking it, be "pulled" from the market? >> >> At the end of the day, the above questions are at the heart of things > (no >> pun intended) between you and I. I await your answers, knowing that > they >> likely will not be forthcoming. >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> The above posting is neither a legal opinion nor legal advice, >> because we do not have an attorney-client relationship, and >> should not be construed as either. This posting does not >> represent the opinion of my employer, but is merely my personal >> view. To reply, delete _spamout_ and replace with the numeral 3 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >I simply feel that the issue behind this thread is that plavix >> >> >(clopidogrel) was prescribed for someone and it resulted in a >> >> >hemorrhagic stroke. Any statin influence was probably nil. >> >> >> >> >Actually, there's a recent analysis of this exact cytochrome p450 >> >> >interaction: http://tinyurl.com/5auow >> >> -- >> >> Don >> >> "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has > endowed >> >> us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo > their >> >> use. --Galileo Galilei >> > >
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