Re: Two pound diet?

"John" <john9212112@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:47:16 -0700, "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> >"John" <john9212112@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >news:hglp819hs5n6jhjvn7cc00mq5j1jsjv34k@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> On Thu, 19 May 2005 00:34:40 -0700, Owen Lowe <noemails@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <118oatetoli9937@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> > "Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Peanut gallery... peanut gallery... sounds curiously familiar...
> >> >>
> >> >> Who says that...?
> >> >
> >> >Doesn't it have Shakespearian origins? The area of the theater where
the
> >> >lower classes would be assigned - with peanut shells all over the
floor?
> >> >Interestingly enough, I believe it was down front, i.e. the most
> >> >expensive seating today.
> >>
> >> Thanks Owen and Bob. I was wondering who might consider themselves as
> >> being in the peanut gallery and look who responded? Bob and Owen.
> >> What a surprise. It's like I said, "Hey, dummy." and you said, "Yo."
> >>
> >> And Bob, as for you concern about calories, I've already addressed
> >> this for you in the past, in fact, using the self-reported contents of
> >> your own refrigerator to show you that eating two pounds per day of
> >> food which you and/or your family had selected would result in a very
> >> useful 1600 cal/day diet. Some days you might get more calories and
> >> somedays less, but on the average you'd get 1600 cal/day which would
> >> not starve you, not malnourish you (any worse than before starting the
> >> program) and would very likely cause you (and most people) to lose
> >> weight. Your response to this is bluster and laughter, to which I
> >> respond by concluding that you don't really care if this would work
> >> for you or not and you somehow feel threatened by the possibility that
> >> it might work for someone else. But you're too late - it works for
> >> me. You're too late to save me from this mad, mad method of losing
> >> weight. Sorry.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> >That's great if 1600 calories per day is a good level for you.
> >
> >But, what if you're a 5' tall, post-menopausal woman? That 2 lbs/1600
> >calories per day could cause you to *gain* weight.
>
> Step 3 of the instructions for 2PD-OMER as found on Dr. Chung's web
> site says, "3) Gradually, decrease your food intake by a few ounces
> each day as tolerated until you consume less than 2 pounds per day."
> Nowhere do the instructions say you must eat *at least* 2 lbs/day. So
> my suggestion for such a person would be to keep reducing the amount
> consumed per the above until you do start losing weight.

And yet, Chung insists that 2 lbs per day is the divinely inspired "one size
fits all" amount for everyone, regardless of size or activity level (see
below).

>
> >And, what if you're like me - a 6' tall, 170 lb male who bicycles 100-150
> >miles per week? Last week alone, I burned around 6700 calories exercising
> >(11 hours total on the bike, and walking). 2 lb/1600 calories per day
would
> >be quite inadequate for my needs.
>
> I used to be like you. One inch taller and ran long distances instead
> of cycling, although I did occassionaly take 100 mile rides (in one
> day). I weighed about 175. I used to eat whatever I wanted and as
> much as I wanted. I have no idea how much, really. But then I moved
> to a climate with a real winter and stopped running and cycling. I
> also got older. My appetite didn't turn itself down and I started to
> slowly gain weight, delivering me to the starting point of my journey
> with 2PD-OMER.

And how old are you? I'm 52 myself, with no plans of slowing down. Age is
no excuse.

Despite my exercise, I don't eat "whatever I want". It's too easy to
subvert a good exercise program with poor food choices and overly large
portions, so I focus on eating appropriate quantities of healthy foods as
much as possible.

FWIW, many people manage to exercise even where there's a "real winter". My
Colorado friends ride and hike in the summer, and cross-country ski in the
winter, and they're as thin as rails despite living in one of the coldest
places in the lower 48.

>
> Perhaps the answer is that someone like you isnt' going to be trying
> 2PD-OMER or any other approach because weight is not a problem for
> you, at least not yet. When it becomes a problem, the solution will
> be there waiting for you.

Chung insists on his FAQ that the 2PD is appropriate for everyone, whether
they are big or small, sedentary or highly trained athletes in training. He
thinks it is divinely inspired because of some passages in Exodus. This
alone is enough to raise caution flags amongst the rational. The following
quote is an example of his delusional thinking:

"It is my belief that if the Ark of the Covenant were ever found, the jar
inside with one omer of manna (Exodus 16:33) will reveal that this "certain
weight" will be about two pounds. Bottomline: When there was a concern about
people overeating when food was unlimited, God had people weigh out the food
they would be allowed to eat. This amount was one omer and was the right
amount no matter the gender, the age, the size, or the activity. In short,
it is "one size fits all" because that is how God made us."

As for me, I doubt I'll ever find it necessary to weigh my food. My
"approach" is to eat healthy, and to exercise most days. Shocking, but it
works.

GG

>
> John




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