Re: Is this the famous.Chung.?????

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: 
"Bob (this one)" wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

"Bob (this one)" wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

"Ma¢k" wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:28:36 -0400, "Old Hippy" <n2oldtimes@xxxxxxx>
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:

that's what he writes about himself, doesn't make it true. 

I have not written anything about myself at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/medfaqs.asp


Sure you have. This is right off that page:
"Of course, you may want to consider visiting me in person at my office
to have me answer your questions and to give you specific medical advice
about your heart. Many people have found this to be the preferable route
after visiting here. I am available for office consultation Monday
through Saturday by appointment only. You can make this appointment by
calling my office."

Not really when compared to http://www.heartmdphd.com/ac.asp 

<LOL> So we're doing a comparison? *Both* pages are about you, the
second one more so. But your statement "I have not written anything
about myself at: http://www.heartmdphd.com/medfaqs.asp"; is a
straightforward lie. You *did* write about yourself on that page.

That would be your opinion. 

Sorry. That would be the *fact*

My opinion is that what I have written is about the options of the
reader.

<LOL> Your very words declare your dishonesty. You wrote: "I have not written anything about myself" but you did. End of story. Just because you wrote *more* in another place doesn't somehow cancel what you wrote about yourself in the first place.

I believe that most will hold the latter opinion especially in light of
the counterexample.

You believe that there was a world-wide flood and that evolution never happens. What you believe looks pretty thin. So much for your magic "truth discernment ray."

Trolling for dollars.

In your judgment.

In your actions. 

It remains your judgment and your opinion.

Poor Chung has to resort to that sort of smarmy
advertising to get new patients. To go with his 625,500 2-pound dieters
that never fail or have problems and have been doing his diet for more
than 5 years. Bwah...

Sorry both my practice and the 2PD-OMER Approach continue to bother you.

Nah. Your wise guy dishonesty bothers me. 

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully, sorry.

Your practice is something I
know nothing about and have no comment on it beyond your smarmy
advertising masquerading as altruism.


It seems you have a habit of judging what you "know nothing about."

Your *diet* is zany, hilarious, ignorant and dangerous. 

Two points:

(1) The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.  Those who oppose it seem to
have difficulty seeing past this hurdle.

(2) You are again judging something you indicate you "know nothing
about" based on (1).

I know a diet when I see one. And I know a diet when you called it that for a long time before you decided it had some divine endorsement. Remember when it was the "2 pound diet?" Nothing is different from that time except your ass-covering suggestion that people confer with their doctors. Anything to give the medical community a good laugh.

That "approach" bull*** happened when you perverted the meaning of omer to suit your demented ravings. That's all very clear. And easy to know.

Truth is simple. 

In this case.

So how many new recruits do you now have? Have
we reached 700,000 yet? And still not one failure?


Sorry the 2PD-OMER Approach continues to bother you.  This does continue
to prove that you remain obsessed about it.

Nah. It continues to amuse me when you make these inflated, undocumented, pure fantasies about your diet. And how you make these claims with not a shred of evidence. And how you say it's been offered to peers when it was at a social luncheon and you wrote the baloney "press release" that was pure puffery. And your FAKE FAQ...

You are the best comedy act online.

You should
call the cardiac clinic that fired him in Florida and ask them why
they fired him.


It is unlikely that they will admit that they attempted to coerce me to
falsify the medical records of my patients.

Funny thing about that. No reason why they should admit it.

It is in the arbitration records (see discussion below). 

I note the arbitration records are not here, so it's *another* case of
Chung saying something with no support.


Another instance of finding only John 10 when looking for John 9.

Suggesting reading:

John 9:39

I guess this means no arbitration records, huh? Try to steer it somewhere else so the lack won't be noticed? What a surprise.

Chung was
fired for giving substandard medical care.


That is what they alleged **after** I filed a complaint with the Florida
Medical Board about their attempt to coerce me to falsify the medical
records of my patients.


Sure. But no actions taken against them? Not good enough evidence for
these extremely serious accusations?


They have refused to disclose the content of the meetings they have had
behind closed doors.  So much for the "sunshine laws"  in the "sunshine"
state. Suffice it to say that this matter took several months for them
to conclude with "not enough evidence" despite their awareness of the
existence of arbitration records which remains unaccessed by them.

Sounds like they thought it was just more Chung hot air. Like almost everybody thinks.

An arbitrator upheld the firing. 

That was **not** the matter before the arbitrator.  Indeed, it is well
within the right of an employer to fire an employee for being
insubordinate, as I was in refusing to do what they ordered me to do (to
falsify the medical records of my patients).


Sure. I note in the email you quote that your correspondent says "I
believe what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to
suit your purposes."

Such are the words of the untruthful when confronted with the truth. 

Such is what you do.

Much as you do today and have had pointed out
repeatedly.


It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully to this day.  It
remains your choice to oppose the truth.  Just as Dr. Hildner remains
convicted by his own words, so are you.

<LOL> People point out your falsity and *they* don't recognize the truth? How clever a way with words.

>>And further, "Now just reflect on the fact that you are the only one to 
make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person seeing
these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out of
step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head."

Everything else pales against the clear demonstration that you still act
like you did there.

It remains my choice to continue to stick with the truth.
Petulantly childish, constitutionally unable to see
anything but his own blindered view.

Such is the kingdom of God where children automatically enter.

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Wonderful. Good job of perverting the truth. Childlike is different than childish.

May you someday see things through the eyes of a child if that is what
it takes for you to discern the truth, in Lord Jesus' most precious and
holy name.


<G> Ghastly evidence for your mental state.

Self-forgiving and self-excusing.

As if Christ were self. 

Not talking about Christ, Sparky. It's all about you.

He was out of there in less than 3 months. If Chung's story were
true, he'd at least have had grounds for a suit himself.


My employment contract bound me to arbitration and no lawsuit.

Ooops. No suit.

Such were the conditions of my employment contract. 

And if you had evidence of criminal behavior, as you aver, the contract
is irrelevant.

It was relevant to my legal rights concerning employment issues.

It was irrelevant to criminal proceedings. If you had evidence of crime and didn't pursue it, that's a crime in itself.

You could have gone to the licensing board with real
evidence 

I did.

and they would have taken it seriously. 

You are again judging something you "know nothing about."

You could have filed
complaints with the authorities, civil and professional.


I did.  They all confirmed the jurisdiction of the Florida State Medical
Board.

The FSMB has *no* jurisdiction in criminal matters beyond professional penalty. The civil authorities can prosecute for crimes if they have evidence of the matter. Looks like your evidence for them is about as good as all your evidence.

Nothing came of your complaints except you were fired 

Actually, Dr. Hildner filed a complaint **after** being served mine just
as he threatened in the email cited in this thread.

and that decision was upheld in arbitration. 

Again, the arbitration was not about whether my former employers can
terminate employees "without cause."

The transcript of the arbitration proceeding remains unaccessed by the
Florida State Medical Board.
It's very much like your complaints against a doctor here who challenged
you.


It is.

You went to the police with false allegations 

As if the perpetrator's own words should not be entered as evidence then
(first with Dr. Hildner, then with Dr. Nagler, and now with you).

Go get it, Chung. Send all the words you want to whomever you want. Your crackpot lunacy is obvious from the first sentence of your rantings.

and they didn't even
bother to investigate them beyond the most superficial glance,


See point (2) above.

where
they saw the absurdity of your position. Case dismissed.

Actually, warning issued.

Actually. No. There was no warning issued. Period. Another lie amongst so many. The police found your complaint without sufficient merit to even investigate.

You complained to the licensing board 

Correct.

and they didn't even bother to hold an inquiry. 

In truth, I have been told that they did and that the matter was being
handled.

In *real* truth. They did no such thing. You filed a formal complaint and it was dismissed without hearing and without any further action.

Case dismissed. 

If that were true, I believe you know in your heart that Dr. Nagler
would still have a visible presence here.

Everything I wrote above is true. I have no idea why Dr. Nagler isn't here. What you believe is immaterial to the facts elaborated above.

The other fact of the matter is that you systematically hound other doctors out of SMC with your rude malice, fanatical hyper-religiosity, anti-science bias, and general insanity.

You fling serious accusations around as freely as your
sanctimonious prattling and actually seem to think that a reasonable
person should believe what you say. Right after you lie/distort about
trifles, as shown at the top of this post.

Your inability to discern the truth is hardly surprising.

Your words convict you at the top of this post. You make a claim that you, yourself, prove untrue. No one else needed to say anything. The truth is that you lied about another trifle and squander your credibility, as you have so often in the past.

Canned. Out the door. Bad doctoring.

Being truthful among those who are untruthful... then and now.

If only that were true...

As if you are able to discern the truth.
It's a pity you can't read this sad email and see how tragic it really
is for and about you. It's a pity that you have the need to create
settings where you then feel free to be belligerent and malicious. It's
the greatest pity that you waste your gifts. Good, wise and generous
advice ignored.

Lord Christ remains the source of all goodness and wisdom.

Nah. What people do can be good and wise. They don't have to be Christian, even. And in the case of the note below, it's good, wise and generous. Unlike you.

> It remains 
my choice to continue walking with Him instead of heading the counsel of
men.

That would probably be why you're seen as illogical, fanatical, trolling, malicious, hyper-religious, god-besotted fundamentalist.

Read this in the clarity of openness and weep... 

Read this with a discerning heart and rejoice for the Lord is almighty
and His armor protects those who are truthful in Him...


And his people can go astray. As you have.

Here's a copy of one of their emails to me to get you started:

----Begin Email----

Subject: Your Website
From: ROCKETMAN51977@xxxxxxx
Date: 10/04/2001 11:18 AM
To: andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.

After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.


[snip]

You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.


Frank Hildner MD
frank@xxxxxxxxxx

----End Email----

Fwiw, I have a collection of these and along with the arbitration
transcript will make great reading for one of the books I am working on.

Just to keep the record straight. 

The arbitration records contain ample evidence of their attempts to
coerce me to falsify the medical records of my patients, including the
medical records themselves with the falsifications being made without my
authorization.  This (and their emails and letters) will forever remain
over their heads if they choose to come after me.

Your accusations could send the lot of them to jail, if true.

It remains in the hands of the Florida State Medical Board.

Who have seen fit not to do anything with it for lack of convincing evidence.

Are any of them in jail? 

Is O.J. Simpson in jail ?

No.

Then you have your answer.

Another non-answer from Chung. Simpson had a trial where a jury made a decision. There has been no trial for any of the other cardios in Ocala. No indictments. No pleadings. No cases.

More sad Chung bluster and empty posturing. 

Like I said...

Pastorio
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