Re: Drug companies monitor web

In article <kPmdnUc135UZrTDfRVn-jw@xxxxxxx>, "Robert"
<Robertitsme@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> "listener" <listener@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > "Robert" <Robertitsme@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> >
> > >
> > > "Sharon Hope" <shope@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:pu-dncNlq7qOHTHfRVn-2Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> What if they are doing more than that? No one company "owns" open
> > >> web
> > > data
> > >> on adverse effects.
> > >>
> > >> What if they are concerned about the number of adverse effects
> > >> discussed
> > > on
> > >> their particular product?
> > >
> > > If you were in business wouldn't you be concerned?
> > > Concern doesn't translate to influence. Money does though.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> What if they find it expedient to influence the metrics by
> > >> discouraging reports or discussion of adverse effects on the web?
> > >
> > > The web is not the proper place to report AE and mean nothing to the
> > > medical community.
> > >
> > > Say, pay people to
> > >> listen, then attack and flame anyone who mentions an adverse effect
> > >> for
> > > that
> > >> particular product.
> > >
> > > Not very efficient when you can bribe doctors and the FDA and
> > > scientists and journals and politiians and ads on TV and news
> > > reporters.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Heaping disrespectful, sarcastic ad hominem attacks upon the AE
> > >> poster
> > > might
> > >> tend to forewarn others thinking about asking for help with their own
> > >> adverse experiences.
> > > This is not the proper place to seek medical help and how can you
> > > help people by telling others about your own particular experiences
> > > when everyone else is different. I am allergic to ciroflaxin so how
> > > does that help anyone else? Hysteria is not the way medicine is
> > > practiced. Dis, and sarcastic remarks are not limited to AE posters
> > > but is common on all ngs.
> > >
> > > They would predictably avoid such savage flaming by
> > >> not posting. That would make the numbers look better, and help
> > >> divert the spotlight from some very real disabling adverse effects.
> > >
> > > You mean someone with renal failure is not going for medical help
> > > because of flaming and it would thus slant the numbers?
> > > A good theory.
> > > The numbers are not derived by web posters. You can have one person
> > > post under 200 different names and does that not slant the numbers?
> > > You want to run medicine like American Idol?
> > > What did Paula do with whom?
> > >>
> > >> Hmmm, can anyone on this ng find some example candidate quotes of
> > >> attacks
> > > on
> > >> those who dared to post about statin adverse effects?
> > >
> > > Can anyone come forth on this ng, that has been validated by a medical
> > > evaluation and comfirmed to have an unequivocal reaction to Statins,
> > > been harmed by them?
> > > The protocol was written up on another thread.
> > > I was not so does that mean someone can't? No. Somebody else was so
> > > does that mean it will with me? No.
> > > You then look at the numbers under a medical clinical setting and not
> > > based on hysteria on the web.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > I admire your tenacity and measured responses. Statins have become the
> > Pandora's Box of this NG. Good luck.
> >
> > L.
> >
> With the work that I do and the thousands of CK's, urinalysis, chemistry
> panels, lipid panels, and every test you can think of, statins have no
> impact on my job.
> That is more an outpatient setting talking to ones doctor during an office
> visit. I have transminases done ALT and AST and the AST will pick up muscle
> damage whereas the ALT is more specific for liver damage.
> Statins are not the sole problem with these people. They go from one drug to
> another like gypsies.

Robert,
I have a doctor's appointment in about a month. What are the best tests to
determine on whether or not I have any kidney damage, muscle damage or
liver damage related to the use of statins? I developed muscle pains that
were caused by statins so I have not taken any statins for at least three
weeks. Most (but not all) of the muscle pains have gone away. I will ask
my doctor to do any special tests that you recommend.
Thanks in advance,
Jason

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