Re: Dialysis, anyone?

Bill wrote:

"Ma¢k" <youknow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:e1i6b19vm7gul2r6ch24h7b894em62mphs@xxxxxxxxxx

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:08:45 GMT, "Bill" <xxx@xxxxx> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:

There is no doubt that Dr. Chung is a Dr. You can find him on the
AMA site.

The AMA is careful to say that they don't vouch for anything on the
site. That the physicians provide the information and the AMA doesn't verify it. It's like saying he must be the real thing because his letterhead says so. On the AMA site he says he has admitting privileges with three hospitals that have denied that he does.

On the Georgia Composite Board page, it says: "This physician has reported that he/she does not currently hold staff privileges at any hospital."
<https://www.gaphysicianprofile.org/profile.ShowProfileAction.action?lic_nbr=040347>

His site has pictures of his diaplomias, and he graduated from
Emory Univ. He has an active practice outside of Atlanta

You know this for a fact? "Active...?" How active is active? What does "active" mean?

and you can make an appointment if you wish.

Bill

he also got fired from a cardiac clinic in florida for lack of quality care, mainly diagnosing patients with problems they did not
have.

What I think you mean is that he wanted to provide more treatment than the clinic wanted to. In any case, what is your supporting documentation?

On what basis do you assert that "he wanted to provide more treatment
than the clinic wanted to?" His assertion has recently been that the
clinic wanted him to falsify records and then trumped up charges after the fact. How does that point to your statement? And, "In any case, what is your supporting documentation?"

He was a junior member of the staff who refused to accept the ideas and experience of cardiologists with years and decades more training and experience than he had.

Chung's own reply to these words:
>> Chung was fired for giving substandard medical care.

>That is what they alleged **after** I filed a complaint with the >Florida Medical Board about their attempt to coerce me to falsify the >medical records of my patients.

Read the whole thread
<http://tinyurl.com/apkpk>

and yet less than a week ago who made the claim that he left florida because the attacks on the world trade center of 9-11 showed that the people of ocala florida were godless sinful people.
His words. Not mine.

I don't recall that. But you might be right. Do you have a quote? 

I don't read it quite the same way:

"At the time the NY Twin Towers fell, I was sorely tempted to betray the
truth for the money (at the time, I was the **only** cardiologist among
the 40 or so there in Ocala seeing new patients and the only one in the
large group of 12 other cardiologists, who were also my employers, who
did invasive procedures). After seeing the Twin Towers fall, I was
reminded that the truth is worth more than all the money in the world."
<http://tinyurl.com/9m55r>

But that "truth" that he so casually and vaguely refers to is his version of it. Then, as now, he admits no error nor even the hint of improper action on his part, as his former employer noted back in 2001 in the email Chung quoted.

He also said a while back that the pilot who terrified a whole planeload of passengers with religious ranting and judgements was behaving properly.

so go ahead and you trust a nut case like chung.

The question was is he a Dr. And the answer is yes. Do you dispute this? 

No. He has the paper credentials.

But there's an implicit question beyond that and it is, "Is he a
reliable, credible doctor. His lying to the AMA about hospital admitting
privileges should send up a red flag. His insistent assertions about
caloric usage and caloric contents of foods should send up red flags. His distortions and diversions raise more red flags. His assertions that Christian doctors do a better job than any others should raise still more red flags. His insistence that evolution doesn't happen is simply ridiculous in the face of overwhelming supportive data and raise serious questions about his assertion that he's a scientist. His insistence that there was a global flood as described in the bible in the face of clear evidence to the contrary rather cements his unreliability. That whole spurious business about "truth discernment" that involves no action on his part, but just happens, should send people running.

Can you give examples of bad medical opinions he has given (outside of the 2 lb diet - which seems to be an endless controversy)? 

Google is our friend. Check his recommendations about aspirin dosages.
Started out at 325 for everybody all the time when he argued against 81
mg. Evolved and changed over time. Last I saw, he said 81 mg was ok.

And don't go outside the 2PD. It's lousy advice that comes from a doctor *as* doctor. It's de facto medical advice and it's bad. There's really very little controversy about the 2PD. Chung and his few socks praise it, a couple others say it coincides with the way they live anyway and everybody else either pans it or laughs at it. Please note that none of the 625,500 successful -no failure - dieters who have been following it for more than 5 years, he says, (a seemingly unchanging number since it was first foisted by Chung) have come to praise it. No magazine articles. No TV stories. No newspaper coverage for this miracle. No radio interviews. No strangers come to SMC or the nutrition newsgroups. No organizations dealing with health or nutrition have even mentioned it. No big upturn in sales of food scales. No credibility.

So, is he an MD? Yes. Is he a good, objective, impartial one? Sure doesn't look like it. Conclusion from his behavior, his words and his expressed and unsupported beliefs.

Pastorio
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