Re: Dialysis, anyone?


"Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Bill wrote:
>
>> "Ma¢k" <youknow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:08:45 GMT, "Bill" <xxx@xxxxx> Huffed and Puffed the
>>> following into the madness of usenet:
>>>
>>>> There is no doubt that Dr. Chung is a Dr. You can find him on the
>>>> AMA site.
>
> The AMA is careful to say that they don't vouch for anything on the
> site. That the physicians provide the information and the AMA doesn't verify
> it. It's like saying he must be the real thing because his letterhead says
> so.

False. This is from their site:

AMA Physician Select
AMA Physician Select provides primary source-verified information on all US
licensed physicians from which consumers can select a physician or verify the
credentials of a known physician. This means that all data have been verified
for accuracy and authenticated by accrediting agencies, medical schools,
residency training programs, licensing and certifying boards, and other data
sources.
AMA Physician Select listings are based on data maintained in the AMA
Physician Masterfile, the largest and most reliable and unbiased collection of
physician information available anywhere. Data on individual physicians,
spanning the continuum from undergraduate medical education through physician
practice, are continuously updated. Unlike other physician locator services,
physicians do not pay a fee to be included in AMA Physician Select or in the
AMA Physician Masterfile.

Each physician listed in AMA Physician Select is a doctor of medicine (MD) or
a doctor of osteopathy or osteopathic medicine (DO), and is licensed to
practice in one or more of the 54 US licensing jurisdictions, including the
District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.


> On the AMA site he says he has admitting privileges with three hospitals
> that have denied that he does.
>

> On the Georgia Composite Board page, it says: "This physician has reported
> that he/she does not currently hold staff privileges at any hospital."
> <https://www.gaphysicianprofile.org/profile.ShowProfileAction.action?lic_nbr=040347>
>

The question was if he is a Dr. - not staff privileges.

>>>> His site has pictures of his diaplomias, and he graduated from
>>>> Emory Univ. He has an active practice outside of Atlanta
>
> You know this for a fact? "Active...?" How active is active? What does
> "active" mean?
>

You can make an appointment, as I said.


>>>> and you can make an appointment if you wish.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> he also got fired from a cardiac clinic in florida for lack of quality
>>> care, mainly diagnosing patients with problems they did not
>>> have.
>>>
>> What I think you mean is that he wanted to provide more treatment than the
>> clinic wanted to. In any case, what is your supporting documentation?
>
> On what basis do you assert that "he wanted to provide more treatment
> than the clinic wanted to?" His assertion has recently been that the
> clinic wanted him to falsify records and then trumped up charges after the
> fact. How does that point to your statement? And, "In any case, what is your
> supporting documentation?"
>

I recall him saying that. I have seen no evidence to the contrary. If you have
better evidence please present it.

> He was a junior member of the staff who refused to accept the ideas and
> experience of cardiologists with years and decades more training and
> experience than he had.
>

What evidence do you have for that.

> Chung's own reply to these words:
> >> Chung was fired for giving substandard medical care.
>
> >That is what they alleged **after** I filed a complaint with the Florida
> >Medical Board about their attempt to coerce me to falsify the medical
> >records of my patients.
>
> Read the whole thread
> <http://tinyurl.com/apkpk>
>
>>> and yet less than a week ago who made the claim that he left florida
>>> because the attacks on the world trade center of 9-11 showed that the
>>> people of ocala florida were godless sinful people.
>>> His words. Not mine.
>>>
>> I don't recall that. But you might be right. Do you have a quote?
>
> I don't read it quite the same way:
>
> "At the time the NY Twin Towers fell, I was sorely tempted to betray the
> truth for the money (at the time, I was the **only** cardiologist among
> the 40 or so there in Ocala seeing new patients and the only one in the
> large group of 12 other cardiologists, who were also my employers, who
> did invasive procedures). After seeing the Twin Towers fall, I was
> reminded that the truth is worth more than all the money in the world."
> <http://tinyurl.com/9m55r>
>
> But that "truth" that he so casually and vaguely refers to is his version of
> it. Then, as now, he admits no error nor even the hint of improper action on
> his part, as his former employer noted back in 2001 in the email Chung
> quoted.
>

Please provide what you are talking about.

> He also said a while back that the pilot who terrified a whole planeload of
> passengers with religious ranting and judgements was behaving properly.
>
>>> so go ahead and you trust a nut case like chung.
>>
>> The question was is he a Dr. And the answer is yes. Do you dispute this?
>
> No. He has the paper credentials.
>
> But there's an implicit question beyond that and it is, "Is he a
> reliable, credible doctor. His lying to the AMA about hospital admitting
> privileges should send up a red flag.

That I'm not sure of. I don't know where he can admit or whether this was a
matter of timing - I'm listed on some professional sites with old data simply
because I did not bother to update. But, in any case, that was not the issue
here. The question was is he a Dr. and is his advice here good.

>His insistent assertions about
> caloric usage and caloric contents of foods should send up red flags. His
> distortions and diversions raise more red flags. His assertions that
> Christian doctors do a better job than any others should raise still more
> red flags. His insistence that evolution doesn't happen is simply ridiculous
> in the face of overwhelming supportive data and raise serious questions
> about his assertion that he's a scientist. His insistence that there was a
> global flood as described in the bible in the face of clear evidence to the
> contrary rather cements his unreliability. That whole spurious business
> about "truth discernment" that involves no action on his part, but just
> happens, should send people running.
>
>> Can you give examples of bad medical opinions he has given (outside of the
>> 2 lb diet - which seems to be an endless controversy)?
>
> Google is our friend. Check his recommendations about aspirin dosages.
> Started out at 325 for everybody all the time when he argued against 81
> mg. Evolved and changed over time. Last I saw, he said 81 mg was ok.
>

There is debate over that in the medical community. And I do not think there
are still clear guidelines. I don't think you can say either is wrong. When I
recently had a stent put in the Dr. said to up the dose to 325. Many still
argue for 81 because it may be less likely to cause stomach problems. The
cardiologist I usually see was OK with 81 - which is what I had been taking.
The only study I've seen on this - and I don't recall where - suggests 160 is
the best dose.

> And don't go outside the 2PD. It's lousy advice that comes from a doctor
> *as* doctor. It's de facto medical advice and it's bad. There's really very
> little controversy about the 2PD. Chung and his few socks praise it, a
> couple others say it coincides with the way they live anyway and everybody
> else either pans it or laughs at it. Please note that none of the 625,500
> successful -no failure - dieters who have been following it for more than 5
> years, he says, (a seemingly unchanging number since it was first foisted by
> Chung) have come to praise it. No magazine articles. No TV stories. No
> newspaper coverage for this miracle. No radio interviews. No strangers come
> to SMC or the nutrition newsgroups. No organizations dealing with health or
> nutrition have even mentioned it. No big upturn in sales of food scales. No
> credibility.
>
> So, is he an MD? Yes. Is he a good, objective, impartial one? Sure doesn't
> look like it. Conclusion from his behavior, his words and his expressed and
> unsupported beliefs.
>

The question was is he a Dr. and you agree he is. You find him annoying on
several issues. I've seen that many people do. But the question is does he
dispense bad medical advice here. I have not seen an instance. He acts
differently from what you are used to, but I have often seen him dispense
medical opinions here and have not found an instance where he was wrong or
successfully challenged.


Bill
> Pastorio


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