Re: Statin-associated Muscle Problems


"Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> In article <2mate.6634$on5.3299@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bill"
> <xxx@xxxxx> wrote:
>
>> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:jason-1806051906370001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >> So a 1 in a million chance according to this article, your muscle pains
>> >> are
>> >> gone, you have not told her about the red rice, and you have
>> > discontinued the
>> >> statin. I would not see a need for such a test if I were her either.
>> >> However,
>> >> you can pay for it yourself. Also, you must also balance the risk of
>> >> statins
>> >> with the risk of not taking them.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > Thanks for your concern.
>>
>> My concern is mostly about the way you are thinking about your problems.
>> Not
>> that you have an underlying problem itself.
>>
>> > Yes, most (but not all) of my muscle pains are
>> > gone. I am not a math expert but I have concluded that I was taking what
>> > is considered to be a very safe dose of statins. Provachol (Pravastatin)
>> > comes from the factory in 4 dose levels. I was taking the 20 mg dose.
>> > They
>> > also make a 10mg dose, 40 mg dose and a 80 mg dose. According to page 42
>> > of "What You Must Know About Statin Drugs..." by Jay S. Cohen, M.D., the
>> > actual "Manufacturer's recommended dose" is the 40 mg dose or the 80 mg
>> > dose. In other words, I am fairly certain that I was taking the
>> > equivalent
>> > of the 40 mg dose.
>>
>> How do you know that?
>>
>> >Therefore, it was a safe dose and should not have
>> > caused me to have muscle pains. I have not yet given up on statin use.
>> > Dr.
>> > Cohen mentioned on pages 154 and 160 of his book that some doctors tell
>> > their patients to use a pill splitter to cut [10 mg] pills in half.
>> > Perhaps if I took a 5 mg dose of Provachol each day--that it would not
>> > cause me to have muscle pain. What do you think about this idea? I should
>> > note that my total chol. level (169 MG/DL) during my last blood test was
>> > within normal limits. Dr. Cohen writes in his book that low doses of
>> > statins are less likely to cause side effects than medium and high doses.
>> >
>> > You mentioned that you would NOT have arranged for me to have a CK test
>> > if
>> > I told you that I had statin-associated muscle pain (myopathy).
>>
>> That is not what I said at all. You said you had already stopped the statin
>> and that your next appointment was a month away.You had said some time ago
>> that your muscle pain was almost gone. With the statins stopped a while ago
>> and things improving greatly it would not seem the test is needed.
>
> Bill,
> You made some excellent points. I am sorry if I misunderstood you. That
> was not my intention. I only started conducting research on statins about
> three weeks ago. However, based upon what I learned it's obvious that
> statins can cause problems to various organs and tissues such as the
> kidney, liver and muscle tissues. Before I even consider taking low dose
> statins I would like to know certain things such as a blood test for CK,
> C-Reactive Protein and Liver Enzymes. Those tests would help me determine
> if any long term damage was done. If not, I may resume statins at a low
> dose level. My doctor does not feel some of these tests are necessary--she
> just wants me to start taking statins again.
> Jason

I'm not sure, but I have a good guess that those tests would not be valid any
longer since you stopped taking the statins a while ago? They are also
unlikely to show what would happen if you started taking statins again since
your symptoms have greatly subsided. And, again, how do you know your dose of
red yeast rice was acceptable? Also - as I pointed out before - if you really
want these tests, you can pay for them.

Bill

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