Re: Statin-associated Muscle Problems


"Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> In article <Ztlte.1180$lv.1061@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bill"
> <xxx@xxxxx> wrote:
>
>> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:jason-1906050816530001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > In article <2mate.6634$on5.3299@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bill"
>> > <xxx@xxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:jason-1806051906370001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >
>> >> >> So a 1 in a million chance according to this article, your muscle
>> >> >> pains
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> gone, you have not told her about the red rice, and you have
>> >> > discontinued the
>> >> >> statin. I would not see a need for such a test if I were her either.
>> >> >> However,
>> >> >> you can pay for it yourself. Also, you must also balance the risk of
>> >> >> statins
>> >> >> with the risk of not taking them.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> > Thanks for your concern.
>> >>
>> >> My concern is mostly about the way you are thinking about your problems.
>> >> Not
>> >> that you have an underlying problem itself.
>> >>
>> >> > Yes, most (but not all) of my muscle pains are
>> >> > gone. I am not a math expert but I have concluded that I was taking
>> >> > what
>> >> > is considered to be a very safe dose of statins. Provachol
>> >> > (Pravastatin)
>> >> > comes from the factory in 4 dose levels. I was taking the 20 mg dose.
>> >> > They
>> >> > also make a 10mg dose, 40 mg dose and a 80 mg dose. According to page
>> >> > 42
>> >> > of "What You Must Know About Statin Drugs..." by Jay S. Cohen, M.D.,
>> >> > the
>> >> > actual "Manufacturer's recommended dose" is the 40 mg dose or the 80
>> >> > mg
>> >> > dose. In other words, I am fairly certain that I was taking the
>> >> > equivalent
>> >> > of the 40 mg dose.
>> >>
>> >> How do you know that?
>> >>
>> >> >Therefore, it was a safe dose and should not have
>> >> > caused me to have muscle pains. I have not yet given up on statin use.
>> >> > Dr.
>> >> > Cohen mentioned on pages 154 and 160 of his book that some doctors
>> >> > tell
>> >> > their patients to use a pill splitter to cut [10 mg] pills in half.
>> >> > Perhaps if I took a 5 mg dose of Provachol each day--that it would not
>> >> > cause me to have muscle pain. What do you think about this idea? I
>> >> > should
>> >> > note that my total chol. level (169 MG/DL) during my last blood test
>> >> > was
>> >> > within normal limits. Dr. Cohen writes in his book that low doses of
>> >> > statins are less likely to cause side effects than medium and high
>> >> > doses.
>> >> >
>> >> > You mentioned that you would NOT have arranged for me to have a CK
>> >> > test
>> >> > if
>> >> > I told you that I had statin-associated muscle pain (myopathy).
>> >>
>> >> That is not what I said at all. You said you had already stopped the
>> >> statin
>> >> and that your next appointment was a month away.You had said some time
>> >> ago
>> >> that your muscle pain was almost gone. With the statins stopped a while
>> >> ago
>> >> and things improving greatly it would not seem the test is needed.
>> >
>> > Bill,
>> > You made some excellent points. I am sorry if I misunderstood you. That
>> > was not my intention. I only started conducting research on statins about
>> > three weeks ago. However, based upon what I learned it's obvious that
>> > statins can cause problems to various organs and tissues such as the
>> > kidney, liver and muscle tissues. Before I even consider taking low dose
>> > statins I would like to know certain things such as a blood test for CK,
>> > C-Reactive Protein and Liver Enzymes. Those tests would help me determine
>> > if any long term damage was done. If not, I may resume statins at a low
>> > dose level. My doctor does not feel some of these tests are
>> > necessary--she
>> > just wants me to start taking statins again.
>> > Jason
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I have a good guess that those tests would not be valid
>> any
>> longer since you stopped taking the statins a while ago? They are also
>> unlikely to show what would happen if you started taking statins again
>> since
>> your symptoms have greatly subsided. And, again, how do you know your
> dose of
>> red yeast rice was acceptable? Also - as I pointed out before - if you
>> really
>> want these tests, you can pay for them.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Bill,
> You may be 100 percent right. I really don't know what to do at this point
> in time. The tests that I mentioned might not help. On one day--I want to
> try taking statins again but the following day--I don't because they might
> do damage to my kidneys. What would you do if you were in my shoes?
> Jason
>

1. I never would have gotten there.

2. You have gotten more advice and information than 999 out of 1000 potential
statin takers do. So it is time for you to consider all of that.

3, You should listen to your Dr. but challenge her if something does not make
sense.

4. In the end, everything is a roll of the dice and it is up to you on how you
want to place your bets.

Bill


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