Re: Dialysis, anyone?

Bill wrote:
"Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:11bdj21kkn63gd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bill wrote:

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Don Kirkman wrote:


It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bill wrote in article
<T3ate.6632$on5.1979@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

[Re Chung's credentials and advice]

Finally you agree. He is a Dr. and all medical advice he dispensed here is valid.

You utter fucking phony. You know perfectly well that this is absolutely untrue. I did no such thing.

I outlined the good he has done and you said "Right." 

Sarcasm, slow-boy.

I stipulated that he's an MD. Period.

I don't think Bob said "all medical advice he dispensed here is valid".

Of course I didn't and I offered examples to the contrary. Bill and Chung are equally honest.

Pastorio

Your only example was 81 vs. 325 mg of asprin.

It would be good if you stuck with fact instead of this reduction to suit yourself.

Neither is wrong in the medical community. My only only point, getting back to the original post, is that the medical advice he dispenses here is valid and helpful to people. No one has provided a counter example.

Actually I also discussed his fatuous 2 pound diet which you decided wasn't a fit subject. You can't pick and choose what *I* want to discuss. As long as he advances that twaddle *as a doctor*, it's medical advice. And it's bad advice. Chung is here *as a doctor.* Beyond that, when he advocates prayer as a medical prospect, as he has in recent days, it's more faulty advice.

Many Drs. advocate that. If you are not religious, you may think of it as a placebo and comforting.

Not a chance. This below is comforting or merely a post for the sake of posting? What possible value can this have? It's a straightforward non sequitur.

michigantype2 wrote:
>>I also have an appointment with a new doc tomorrow. He is Diabetes
>>literate so he will also hlp me out. I also have an appointment
>>with my cookoo doc. Maybe I can get off of some of my meds with him
>>that make me hungry.

Chung wrote:
>Yes, the Lord can help you come off of many if not all of your
>meds.

And you don't have it quite right. Many people have offered comment about specific bits of his advice and documentation why it's not good. But to go through his myriad posts to seek them out to try to suit you is a fool's errand. If you haven't kept up with what's been posted, it's your issue.

Iv'e pretty much kept up and I find no counter examples. You need to just find one clear one.

No. You do. It's your assertion that he had only provided good advice. Google, Zippy. Do your own homework.

As for no one providing a counter example, you still seem to think people should jump through your hoops.

No it is much more simple than that. I think if people make a claim they should justify it. I said I did not want to discuss the 2lb diet because I know that will take us down a long road and I'm referring to traditional medical advice.

There's no long road. It's just your inability to counter the realities of it. It's lousy advice to assert that 2 pounds of food is right for everybody, all the time. And he's speaking as a doctor. That makes it lousy medical advice.

Or are you asserting that it's good advice? Are you saying that it's a reasonable prescription for everyone? If so, you fly in the face of *every* responsible nutritional organization and so demonstrate how out of touch you are with current science. If not, you must agree that it's bad advice.

I love your weasely "traditional medical advice" that you use to change the ground rules.

> No one has been able to come up with a single example where he
has given bad advice. He has given such advice many times. So such claims have no basis. 

Lousy logic. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

For people who have been around SMC for any period of time, Chung has shown himself to be extremely uneven in his information. You don't agree for whatever your reasons. Fine. It's your opinion arrayed against a rather impressive group including more than a few other doctors who no longer frequent the group largely because of Chung's harassment and disagreeable behavior.

We're done discussing anything, Bill. It's one thing to offer debate. Another to offer flawed logic and falsity.

Yes. And you need to recognize that. 

How unspeakably lame.

Pastorio
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