Re: note to Sharon and Zee

Jason and Hawki,
Forgive me for chiming in here, I realize the question wasn't directed to
me, but I have an opinion here.

Both JAMA and BJM have stated in editorials that they have, in the past,
discriminated against articles showing adverse effects, and for articles
funded by the pharmco industry.

Each of these two distinguished journals ran a full edition on the bias
they, themselves, found in their own articles.

Think about it. For Lipitor alone, there are between 6 and 10 BILLION
DOLLARS PER YEAR at stake. That company needs to answer to its
stockholders, as do all the others.

If the rules of the game permit:
- direct to the consumer advertising
- bribing doctors with goods, services, cash and travel
- creating studies that showcase the product
- 'packing' the peer juries with reviewers who are favorable to their
product
- ensuring favorable editorial viewpoints with massive journal advertising
budgets
- 'packing' the influential association boards with doctors who are
favorable to their product or on their payroll
- tracking every single prescription written by every single doctor
- running web bots daily to identify any discussion of adverse effects
- data-mining leftover findings from other studies to write up short studies
with splashy headline attention-getting findings to counter-spin the issue
getting attention in the web newsgroups

That is exactly what they are going to do.

That is EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

That is also, ethics and morality aside, what they must do to retain favor
with their stockholders.

Unless and until Congress changes the rules, by:

1) Funding the FDA so that the agency is not dependent upon Pharmco user
fees for over two-thirds of its budget (and making FDA answerable to the
group that funds it)

2) Ensuring the NIH re-establishes its ethics policy with reporting and
public view

3) Halting direct to consumer marketing

4) Halting bribing of the doctors

5) Requiring that all adverse events findings be made public once a drug is
approved for marketing to the public

6) Providing a public forum for publishing non-industry funded studies (If
the Public paid for the study, it is absurd that it never gets published
because the journal peer reviewers don't like the findings)

there will be no changes to the terrible safety record of the current crop
of drugs.

We need to make our preferences known to our elected officials.

"Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:jason-0807051212100001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> In article <jason-0807051026260001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote:
>
>> In article <weqze.42260$J12.25055@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:jason-0707052120550001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > In article <Ekkze.40724$J12.24641@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> > > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > >> news:jason-0707051621160001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A very wonderful person referred me to the website mentioned
>> > >> > below. I
>> > >> > visited the site and downloaded the really interesting report on
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > dangers of statins. It was fairly obvious that the authors of the
>> > >> > report
>> > >> > had visited Sharon's website and downloaded her report.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Please Please download the report and keep it in your files:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It's one of the most interesting reports that I have read.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Jason
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Jason
>> > >>
>> > >> you seem easily swayed by the written word...like the book you read
>> > >> by
>> > >> Jay
>> > >> Cohen...
>> > >>
>> > >> science is not by one person made
>> > >>
>> > >> the "report" that you speak so highly of...is actually the
>> > >> propaganda
>> > >> machine of the WEston A Price Foundation,,,from their quarterly
>> > >> newsletter
>> > >> entitled "Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts"..
>> > >>
>> > >> Weston Price was a dentist in the 1930s
>> > >>
>> > >> just look over the "reference" list....more than half of the
>> > >> "references"
>> > >> are from public media...ie the Wall Street Journal,,Newsweek,
>> > >> Washington
>> > >> Post..BBC Online network,,Tahoe World....and numerous "personal and
>> > >> email
>> > >> communication"
>> > >>
>> > >> this does not represent a scientific piece...
>> > >>
>> > >> but it is what you want to believe...so you glombed onto it
>> > >>
>> > >> Science is science......published studies scientifically
>> > >> undertaken,,results
>> > >> submitted to a peer reviewed publication...
>> > >>
>> > >> anyone anyone can write a piece for the Wall Street Journal,,and
> not have
>> > >> to
>> > >> prove one iota of it is true..
>> > >>
>> > >> and a dentist from 7 decades ago to boot...
>> > >
>> > > Hello,
>> > > Did you read the entire report or just the reference list? If not, I
>> > > suggest that you read it. I just took a quick look at the reference
>> > > list
>> > > that you mentioned and found the names of these MEDICAL journals:
>> > > Heart
>> > > Southern Medical Journal
>> > > Neurology
>> > > N Engl J Med
>> > > JAMA
>> > > Many of the magazines and newspapers mentioned medical studies in
>> > > their
>> > > stories.
>> > > I don't know about the history of Weston Price but he did NOT write
>> > > the
>> > > report. One of the authors of the report has a PhD degree.
>> > > I enjoyed reading the details about medical reports mentioned in the
>> > > report.
>> > > Regardless, I thank you for your interest.
>> > > Jason
>> > >
>> > > -
>> >
>> > sorry...this is a piece written by an unknown.....
>> >
>> > anyone can write anything...doesn't make it true..useful or scientific
>> >
>> >
>> > yes there are some peer reviewed journals in the reference list...but
>> > the
>> > overwhelming number of newspapers,,"private communication" and
>> > emails...makes it nothing but a piece of paper
>> >
>> >
>> > Sharon's contributions are of valid studies,,etc etc...
>> >
>> > yes..
>>
>> Hawki,
>> You are right. The report is vastly different than any study or report
>> you
>> could find in a peer reviewed journal such as JAMA. I still enjoyed
>> reading it and learned a lot of valuable information such as tips on safe
>> foods to eat as well as foods to avoid.
>> Jason
>
> Update:
> I have a question for you. Hawki, As you may know, JAMA receives hundreds
> of articles each month and the editors of JAMA has to determine which of
> the articles to print in JAMA. Do you believe that bias is involved in
> that process? For example, if they received an article written by Doctor
> Julian Whitaker
> <drwhitaker.com> related to a study about CoEnzyme Q10, do you think that
> they would publish the article in JAMA?
> Jason
>
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