Re: statins don't reduce dementia risk



Jason wrote:
> In article <1121024193.003999.320950@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "zee"
> <outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Jason wrote:
> > > In article <3s01d1p2693490bqf9j2o9q922vt2lajbf@xxxxxxx>, Jim Chinnis
> > > <jchinnis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "zee" <outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim Chinnis wrote:
> > > > >> "zee" <outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Odd. I don't recall you making a similar comment about myriad
> > > > >> >obsevational and retrospective studies we've been reading ad
> nauseum in
> > > > >> >the past year or so, as the date to atorvastatin coming off patent
> > > > >> >approaches....and the markeing dept. high fives each other in glee at
> > > > >> >yet another goal met.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Then you haven't read carefully.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Well I give. I should have said I don't recall you making a similar
> > > > >comment about myriad observational and retrospective studies we've been
> > > > >reading ad nauseum in the past year or so as the date to atorvastatin
> > > > >coming off patent approaches....and the marketing dept. high fives each
> > > > >other in glee at yet another goal met...
> > > > >
> > > > >Until you were 'convinced'.
> > > > >
> > > > >Zee
> > > >
> > > > I really don't have a bias, Zee. I'm a patient. I take a statin
> > > > but would stop in a second if I thought the evidence justified
> > > > doing so. I want to know the risks and benefits of all treatments
> > > > related to atherosclerosis.
> > > >
> > > > If I accepted the retrospective studies about the wonders of
> > > > statins, I was wrong to do so. Normally I would not do that. The
> > > > drug companies and masters degree students put out papers and
> > > > press releases daily about observational studies that are pure
> > > > nonsense. I almost always say that it isn't possible to interpret
> > > > a retrospective study or even a prospective study that isn't
> > > > randomized.
> > > >
> > > > What are needed are large, long-term, randomized trials.
> > > > --
> > > > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > > When I first started taking statins, my doctors stated or at least implied
> > > that statins would help solve my problems related to atherosclerosis. Of
> > > course, it's possible that I misunderstood her. I now know some facts that
> > > I did not know at that point in time. If you want to read the article in
> > > the medical journal, please let me know and I'll send you the reference
> > > info. that you will need.
> > >
> > > Statins and Plaque (2003)
> > >
> > > A study published in the American Journal of Cardiology casts serious
> > > doubts on the commonly held belief that lowering your LDL-cholesterol, the
> > > so-called bad cholesterol, is the most effective way to reduced arterial
> > > plaque. Researchers at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York City
> > > examined the coronary plaque buildup in 182 subjects who took statin drugs
> > > to lower cholesterol levels. One group of subjects used the drug
> > > aggressively (more than 80 mg per day) while the balance of the subjects
> > > took less than 80 mg per day. Using electron beam tomography, the
> > > researchers measured plaque in all of the subjects before and after a
> > > study period of more than one year. The subjects were generally successful
> > > in lowering their cholesterol, but in the end there was no statistical
> > > difference in the two groups in the progression of arterial calcified
> > > plaque. On average, subjects in both groups showed a 9.2 percent increase
> > > in plaque buildup.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
> > > We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
> >
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > It's always a good idea when you are reading something like the above,
> > which is someone's opinion, to try to track down the original source of
> > the information. Otherwise you are only getting someone else's opinion.
> > It's fine to seek other's opinions, but then you have to consider who
> > they are, what their bias is, etc. Always best to go to the source.
> >
> > In this case why don't you get the study, abstract and/or link and
> > bring it for Jim to look at. I think you'll get a better reading than
> > from Mercola (phooey).
> >
> > Zee
>
> Zee,
> That's great advice. I don't subscribe to the journal. However, during my
> next visit to the city library, I'll take along the reference information
> and see if they have old issues of the journal. I know for sure they have
> old issues of JAMA because I actually took a great look at some of them.
> Does Jim or yourself need the reference info. so that you can read the
> article in the journal? If so, just let me know and I will post it. I
> don't know what you meant when you mentioned Mercola--I obtained it from
> an article written by Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig, PhD.
> Jason
> Jason
>
> --
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I won't be translating it for you Jason. But Jim might if you ask
nicely. Send good coffee. Bloody steaks. Like that...

The article is on Mercola's site. Is he the author or Enig and Fallon,
or all three?

Either way, the article is an opinion. If it is Enig and Fallon's
opinion then who are they? Enig has good scientific credentials, but
that in and of itself doesn't make her analysis right. Fallon is in
communications. (I'm trying to be polite.)

Zee

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