Re: CABG costs 80 percent higher in U.S. than CANADA


"Robert" <Robertitsme@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "zee" <outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "The large difference [between the U.S. and Canada] is usually
>> attributed to high administrative costs in the United States
>
> There is no slave labor in the US anymore although illegal aliens are
> hired
> for cheap wages. It exits in China with prison labor and in Canada with
> government controlled wages of healthcare workers.
> Notes for Remarks
> Commissioner Roy Romanow
> Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada
> to: The Canadian Medical Association
> Saint John, New Brunswick
> August 20, 2002
>
> "There is simply no doubt that re-designing systems is important not only
> with respect to improving access for patients but also for improving the
> quality of working-lives of Canada's health care professionals.
>
> That these professionals are under stress is beyond debate. As the
> Canadian
> Policy Research Networks has noted, and I quote, "The quality of work
> life
> among health care workers has deteriorated to the point where it is
> impeding
> the capacity of the system to provide effective patient care."
>
> I got a brief glimpse into that worklife last night, when I visited the ER
> of Toronto's St. Mike's Hospital. I saw doctors and nurses working under
> great pressure to provide first- rate care.
>
> They dealt with everything from drug overdoses to heart attacks and car
> accident victims. These providers need to be supported by the system in
> order to go on providing this high quality, critical care day in and day
> out - night in and night out.
>
> Something is very wrong when nurses have the highest rate of injury and
> time
> off work of any class of worker. We simply have to make health care
> services
> healthier workplaces because if we don't look after health care
> professionals, they can't look after us.
>
> Equally, we need to meet the problems of those providers who work in
> isolated communities and rural areas. In these settings, most doctors
> work
> by themselves or with only one colleague. The vast majority work in
> groups
> no bigger than five. When you combine these stresses with long hours, you
> have a prescription for burnout and poor quality health care."
>
>
>
> and the
>> penchant for over-treatment in the profit-driven U.S. system."
>>
>
> That is also a problem as healthcare is "free" for all in Canada.
> Free means each one is entitled to something. There is no chance of over
> treatment in Canada as the government makes decisions for the people. It
> is
> communistic government controlled where the individual has no say. People
> are dying in line waiting as it is cheaper that way. The government says
> no
> and it is much more cheaper not doing heart surgeries than doing them. If
> the person dies in the waiting then they saved that much more.


oh dear Robert...now Zee will call you a bigot too!!

actually I was quite stunned that she would actually post an article that
documented how long Canadians WAIT for cardiac surgery...

How a Canadian citizen can tout their own system as being "better" than
ours..then document that waits upwards of 180 days occurs...is blissfilly
ignorant of reality

You are correct BTW..that in the US heart surgery is done as soon as
possible...am also not aware of what is called "elective" that can warrant a
wait of 3-6 months...

Actually a "waiting list" for ANY surgery or procedure is beyond the pale...

And you are also correct that many die waiting..or come across the border
and pay cash for their healthcare here in the US

but then Zee thinks I am a bigot...truth hurts


>
> Canada's Fatal Error --- Health Care as a Right (Part I)
>
> Michael E. Aubrey, MD
>
> http://www.haciendapub.com/aubrey.html
>
> There is something wrong with medicine in Canada today. This conclusion
> can
> and probably has been reached by any member of the profession who has
> paused
> from his or her daily endeavors to consider the current state of medicine
> in
> this country. Despite rather remarkable advances in the art and science of
> medicine patient care is deteriorating. The availability of medical
> services
> is diminishing and waiting lists are growing longer. Patients are often
> obliged to seek medical care in facilities far from home. The cost of
> health
> care in Canada has been spiralling upwards out of control, and predictions
> for the future portend the collapse of what was once an excellent health
> care system.
>
> Caught in the middle of the unfolding disaster is the Canadian physician.
> On
> one side the profession finds itself beset by abusive governments that
> seek
> to offset the collapse by controlling the physician and the way he
> practices
> his profession.
>
> On the other side is the public who, for the past quarter century has been
> told by the organizers of socialized medicine that health care is now
> "free," and that all they need do is to profess a need for any service and
> it will be provided. With the consequent open ended demand being placed on
> finite resources it was only a matter of time before the situation
> deteriorated to its current state.
>
> Many people seem to realize that something isn't quite right, and as is
> characteristic of our culture, people are looking for someone to blame.
> The
> politicians, aided by what is almost exclusively a socialist press corps,
> have very skillfully been able to portray the doctor as the cause of the
> crisis, and themselves as the saviors of the system. The public, sensing
> that something is amiss, is looking for its own answers, and has also
> labeled the medical profession as being primarily to blame.
>
> Amidst the maelstrom walks the physician, confused, angry, demoralized and
> apparently incapable of changing the situation. He has worked
> excruciatingly
> hard to acquire the knowledge and skills he now possesses. Yet he is
> subject
> to lies and equivocations about his level of remuneration. Despite intense
> dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs, he continues to work
> and
> care for his patients. Yet he is vilified by the government, the public
> and
> the press as being the agent of destruction of health care in Canada. Why?
>
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