Re: statins don't reduce dementia risk

In article <ssnpd1tgqvmj7l3irrj13mimn3cj6pli10@xxxxxxx>, Rita
<nitany_98@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:51:40 -0700, jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote:
>
> >In article <1nmnd11hpbja6nu9r1sa2mf92202rcbrmi@xxxxxxx>, Rita
> ><nitany_98@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:36:43 -0700, jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Rita,
> >> >You are right. I have all of that information in my poorly organized
> >> >files. I even have the blood tests results in those files that caused my
> >> >doctor to prescribe statins. Sarah and I had an argument about this issue
> >> >and she said that I was wrong about some of the facts related to how long
> >> >I had used statins before I developed memory problems. I guess that I will
> >> >have to organize those records and find out the exact dates. I realize
> >> >that I need to start taking notes but it's hard to get in the habit. I'll
> >> >buy a note pad and start carrying it with me. I don't know how it would
> >> >help me remember the names of my friends and ex-coworkers that I meet at
> >> >the heath fitness center--that's very frustrating. I believe that they
> >> >must think that I have dementia or taking illegal drugs.
> >> >Needless to say, it's very frustrating--not only for me but also for Sarah
> >> >who is about ready to leave me. I would not blame her if she does leave
> >> >me.
> >> >Jason
> >>
> >> It would scare the hell out of me if I suddenly developed the kind of
> >> memory problems you describe. Especially since you are not into old
> >> age yet.
> >>
> >> I am curious, though. Since they have given you so much trouble, what
> >> doctors have you seen to have this checked out? While it is possible
> >> they could be due to the statins you took, there are other possibllities
> >> as well and I would think you would want to investigate. If they were
> >> discounted by one doctor, there are certainly many others to try who
> >> would be more sensitive to your concerns. I think it is quite reasonable
> >> and widely accepted that one can always tell one's doctor that one would
> >> like a second opinion. Especially in matters so serious as memory loss
> >> that comes on so suddenly.
> >>
> >> You do seem able to write, and thus to think, well about complex matters
> >> as evidenced by your posts to this group. And seemingly to retain a lot
> >> of information about subjects that interests you.
> >
> >Rita,
> >I saw some posts a couple of weeks ago on this subject. I believe that it
> >would be difficult for a doctor or other expert to figure out whether or
> >not statins are to blame for my memory problems since I did not take any
> >memory tests prior to taking statins. If I had taken such a test before I
> >took statins and the same sort of test tomorrow--it would be easy. Do you
> >see my point? Do you agree or disagree that it would be a waste of time to
> >attempt to figure out the sort of the memory problems at this point in
> >time since I did NOT take a memory test prior to taking statins.
>
>
> >Jason
>
> No, I don't agree. I don't know how memory loss is detected or measured
> but obviously there are ways to do this. Since most people don't know in
> advance they will suffer from this, they don't go and get tested before
> it occurs. What happens is the person experiences this, or another
> person points it out to them, and they see a doctor and begin a process
> to determine the cause.
>
> It is extremely important to try to run down the cause because the brain
> is subject to many problems some of which can be fixed or alleviated by
> medication.
>
> What you are doing is failing to get adequate medical input on both your
> muscle and memory problems. I, myself, don't have memory problems beyond
> those minor glitches I have experienced for a few years due to aging.
> But when after stopping statins for the second time, and I took them only
> for 3-1/2 months total time, and still had muscle symptoms after more than
> six weeks, I saw my doctor who referred me to a neurologist. Now I have
> no idea if the neurologist will be able to shed light on this problem,
> but the process is started and I will pursue it until I get some
> satisfactory explanation. Could be due to statins but also there are
> other possibilities.
>
> While reading up on people who have experienced similar difficulties does
> make one realize one is not alone in experiencing diffuse muscle pain and
> weakness, and that is hardly just "in my own head", I would never take
> another person's outcome to necessarily be mine. In the past, I have
> sometimes thought a diagnosis I read about fit me perfectly, and then
> after seeing doctors and having medical tests I learned what was bothering
> me was something entirely different.
>
> If I were experiencing the problems you are, and if my marriage was being
> affected as yours is by these difficulties, I'd run, not walk, for medical
> assistance. Unless you believe all doctors are quacks and no one has the
> know how to help you?
>
> Now you say you have to go through thus and so to change doctors in your
> HMO. Well, I know that all HMOs have to have provision for this and that
> it has to be timely and you can't be held without a change of doctor when
> you need to make one. You have the right to be referred to a specialist
> and if your doc won't make one, COMPLAIN TO THE HMO. Every HMO has
> provisions for this, they are required to by law.
>
> What I do see is your making yourself more and more anxious and depressed
> over your situation and doing nothing for yourself. Pick up the telephone
> and start the process of getting some medical help.
>
> People here have been advising you to do this for some time. But you seem
> to find excuses to slither out from doing it. And as a result, your life
> is becoming more and more unmanageable. That is not a pretty situation.
>
> Don't take it on faith that no one can diagnose your medical problems or
> help you until you have far more proof of this than you have so far
> reported. How many people have failed to get second and third opinions
> to their detriment?

Rita,
Thanks for your advice. I am going to contact Blue Shied today or tomorrow
and request a new doctor. My present doctor refuses to refer me and/or
allow me to have certain blood tests that will help both of us figure out
what is wrong with me and the real source of the problems. If Sarah does
decide to move out, I may see a mental health counselor if I start getting
depressed. I'm hoping that my new doctor will refer me to specialists and
allow me to have the special blood tests that I would like to have such as
the liver function test.
Since you are a music fan--have you heard these songs which reminded me of
my situation
"You've lost that loving feeling" Righteous Brothers
"Ruby, don't take your love to town" Kenny Rogers
Jason

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