Re: statins don't reduce dementia risk

In article <1121744904.144064.93270@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "zee"
<outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Bill wrote:
> > "zee" <outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:1121725445.819477.48260@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill wrote:
> > >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> news:jason-1807050827420001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > In article <E1KCe.387$lX2.35@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bill"
> > >> > <xxx@xxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:jason-1707052206010001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > In article <PRCCe.232$IG2.180@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bill"
> > >> >> > <xxx@xxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> news:jason-1707051656440001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> >> > In article <NHBCe.196$IG2.69@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bill"
> > >> >> >> > <xxx@xxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> >> news:jason-1707051055150001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> >> >> >> Sharon,
> > >> >> >> >> > I might have missed it but how many months did it take before
> > >> >> >> >> > you
> > >> >> >> >> > noticed
> > >> >> >> >> > any signs of improvement in your husband's mental abilities?
> > >> >> >> >> > I have NOT noticed hardly any improvements in relation to my
> > >> >> >> >> > memory
> > >> >> >> >> > problems. Sarah told me yesterday that I left the storage shed
> > >> >> >> >> > unlocked.
> > >> >> >> >> > Last week, I left my car unlocked in a grocery store parking
> > >> >> >> >> > lot. I
> > >> >> >> >> > never
> > >> >> >> >> > done these sorts of things until the past several months. My
> > >> >> >> >> > problems
> > >> >> >> >> > do
> > >> >> >> >> > NOT seem to be improving.
> > >> >> >> >> > One other question: Have you seen any studies indicating that
> > >> >> >> >> > statins
> > >> >> >> >> > can
> > >> >> >> >> > cause the adrenal glands to NOT to work properly?
> > >> >> >> >> > Jason
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > --
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> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> I thought your memory problems started well before you left your
> > >> >> >> >> job
> > >> >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> you
> > >> >> >> >> started taking statins after you left your job.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Bill
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Bill,
> > >> >> >> > I was taking statins while I was still working. My memory
problems
> > >> >> >> > started
> > >> >> >> > shortly after I started taking statins. I have not noticed any
> > >> >> >> > improvements since I stopped taking statins. I still do stupid
> > >> >> >> > things
> > >> >> >> > such
> > >> >> >> > as not remembering the names of close friends and forgetting to
> > >> >> >> > lock
> > >> >> >> > my
> > >> >> >> > car. I am hoping that the improvements take place during the next
> > >> >> >> > several
> > >> >> >> > months so that I will be able to get another job after my sick
> > >> >> >> > leave
> > >> >> >> > credits have run out. I will be getting full retirement
benefits so
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > salary of the new job is not very important. I'm just
getting bored
> > >> >> >> > with
> > >> >> >> > not much to do. I'm getting on Sarah's nerves.
> > >> >> >> > Jason
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> You left your job several months ago and the problems started well
> > >> >> >> before
> > >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> day you left - having to do with a periodic test you have to take.
> > >> >> >> You
> > >> >> > got off
> > >> >> >> of statins 6 weeks ago and were on for 3 months. Is that not
correct?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Due to my memory problems, I can only guess at these sorts of
issues.
> > >> >> > Sarah and I talked about this subject last week and she said
that was
> > >> >> > wrong about when I stopped working and stopped taking statins.
I seem
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > recall that I started taking statins about 3 months before I had to
> > >> >> > stop
> > >> >> > working due to memory problems. I found out as a result of this
> > >> >> > newgroup
> > >> >> > that statins caused memory problems so I stop taking them. I don't
> > >> >> > remember the exact date that I stopped working or stopped taking
> > >> >> > statins.
> > >> >> > I probably have that sort of information in my records but they are
> > >> >> > poorly
> > >> >> > organized.
> > >> >> > Jason
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You have repeatedly said you were on statins for only 3 months.
You have
> > >> >> also
> > >> >> said that the memory problems were going on for a while. And you have
> > >> >> also
> > >> >> said that you left your job several months ago. I think something else
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> going on here. Why could it not be that your problems are due to
> > >> >> something
> > >> >> other than statins if you do not know the dates and you have been very
> > >> >> inconsistent?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Could it not be true that you started the statins after you left your
> > >> >> job?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Bill
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill,
> > >> > I do recall that I was taking statins several weeks before I took
what is
> > >> > referred to as an IST (In Service Training) class. I took some notes in
> > >> > much the same way that I took notes in college classes. However,
when the
> > >> > test was given, it was like I had not even been in the room. I
could not
> > >> > recall the teacher even mentioning some of the items that were on the
> > >> > test. I barely passed due to the notes that all students were
allowed to
> > >> > refer to when they took the test. Without those notes, I would have
> > >> > failed. It was at that time that I realized that was having a serious
> > >> > problem with my memory. I done some research and was of the opinion (at
> > >> > that time) that I had Dementia (I am 54 years old). I continued to take
> > >> > statins but realized that I needed to stop working since I had an
> > >> > important job and I would probably fail some future classes were note
> > >> > taking was not allowed. Since I had a year of sick leave credits, I had
> > >> > working and will retire after the sick leave credits run out. Full
> > >> > retirement benefits kick in when employees are 55 years old. I'll be 55
> > >> > before the sick time credits are used up. I stop taking statins several
> > >> > weeks after I found out that statins were the reason for my memory and
> > >> > muscle related problems. I seem to recall that it was a couple of
months
> > >> > after I stopped working.
> > >> > Jason
> > >> >
> > >> > --
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> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> You have said you were on statins for 3 months several times. I
don't think
> > >> you can trust your memory for anything. Your problem may well have
started
> > >> before statins.
> > >>
> > >> One thing is clear. You do have severe mental problems and need to see a
> > >> psychiatrist to help you out what ever the cause.
> > >>
> > >> Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > Please don't do this.
> > >
> > > Seeing a psychiatrist, psychologist or counselling social worker may
> > > help to cope with the devastation caused to one's life, family, career
> > > by statin injury, but it won't cure any disease, because our disease is
> > > not psychological. Our disease is toxicity from a drug we took. We who
> > > have been affected this way begin our recovery when we remove the
> > > offending agent, but there can be lingering confusions, for us and
> > > those around us.
> > >
> > > What you are doing is not helpful.
> > >
> > > Please stop. But please stay.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Zee
> > >
> >
> > You have no idea what the cause is but simply accept that it is from statins
> > because it fits with your agenda.
>
> I don't know. But I do recognize his descripitons which echo my
> experience. And I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
>
>
> >From the description from the poster it may
> > well have started before he took statins. You don't know, because you
have no
> > reliable information to work from. And in the event the timing did
overlap it
> > does not imply cause and effect.
> >
> > Also from Muldoon's study on people who took statins for 6 months (as
opposed
> > to the 3 the poster took) he concluded that "it did not cause psychological
> > distress or substantially alter cognitive function." (Though he did
measure a
> > statistically significant drop.)
>
> Well it did for me.
>
>
> >
> > You are in no position at all to diagnose this person either from a
> > professional point of view or from the information you have.
>
> That's true. Nor are you with telling him he is mentally ill and should
> see a psychiatrist.
>
>
> And telling
> > people to do nothing can do great damage to them. I stick with my
> > recommendation that he needs psychological help - and let that person decide
> > along with the patient what the best form is.
>
> I agree; he should decide what to do, if anything.
>
> >
> > Furthermore, your point is irrelevant. If the underlying cause were chemical
> > that does not mean some sort of outside counseling/coaching would not help.
>
>
> Yes, counselling might help one cope with the life-altering effects of
> statin injury, and to cope with the responses of those around him. But
> I don't think it will help with the continued disease, if this is
> what's going on.
>
> I just don't know who Jason is Bill or what is the truth here. Nor do I
> know that for you or anyone.
>
>
> Zee

Zee,
Great post.
I believe most of the regular subscribers to this newsgroup are easily
able to separate bad advice from good advice. We ignore the bad advice and
take the good advice.
Jason

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