Re: Statins or lumbar spinal stenosis??

In article <1122827270.812501.295900@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"zee" <outrider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Rita wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:18:01 -0700, "Sharon Hope" <shope@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >No, dear, I am staying out of that debate because I don't know anything
> > >about stenosis.
> > >
> > >You reported muscle pain from statins. That can indicate muscle damage at
> > >the mitochondrial level. I am addressing only the statin muscle damage,
> > >and
> > >how it can be dangerous for you to start an exercise program after statin
> > >muscle damage has occurred.
> >
> > I reported that I experienced muscle pain and had been taking statins.
> > I thought statins might be the cause. I learned that some people do
> > experience this kind of pain after taking statins. Having learned that
> > and reading various studies I went back to my doctor when the pain did
> > not go away after stopping statins for two months and reported this to
> > her. She referred me to a neurologist. I had no information prior to
> > seeing him about lumbar spinal stenosis. Now I do. And as the MRI
> > revealed that is indeed the cause. In fact, classic symptoms of a
> > disease I didn't think of because I knew nothing at all about it.
> > Even though I had had disc surgery years ago, the symptoms were so very
> > different from the sciatica with the ruptured disc that I discounted
> > that kind of involvement. Which goes to show the average person is
> > not equipped to make a medical diagnosis. I read "statins can cause
> > muscle pain and weakness", I took atatins, and ergo, barring anything
> > else I could think of, I thought perhaps they were the cause. I waited
> > a couple months after stopping Zocor for my condition to improve. When
> > it did not, I acted.
> > >
> > >Your pain may or may not have been from statins, but people who have
> > >muscle
> > >pain from statins can find it very dangerous to exercise beyond 20 minutes
> > >even long after stopping statins.
> > >
> > >It can do great damage not only to your muscles and joints but also to
> > >your
> > >liver and kidney if your muscles have respiratory problems at the
> > >mitochondrial level as so many statin patients do.
> > >
> > >So, please be very careful exercising and try to stick to under 20 minutes
> > >at a time - the amount of ATP energy in each cell.
> >
> > I doubt I could exercise, as in on a treadmill, for more than 20 minutes
> > today. But perhaps after some therapy my endurance will increase. I
> > don't believe any physical therapist is going to put me on an exercise
> > regime that exceeds my present ability or tolerance. There is other
> > exercise that involves the upper body that does not cause pain. I plan
> > to get into a well rounded program and not become a vegetable. Any
> > exercise program needs to start small and build up gradually. Actually,
> > it seldom takes more than 30-45 minutes to complete a well rounded
> > exercise routine involving both upper and lower body. Many of the
> > exercises that can help spinal stenosis, my reading reveals, are
> > stretching exercises that are not strenuous in nature but do require
> > time to complete properly.
> > >
>
> Rita
>
> This morning I was reading your first post in this thread. You said,
> and the emphasis are mine:
>
> "I began posting to this group when I began experiencing muscle pain
> and weakness in my back and legs and the onset of that problem was
> *after* I had begun taking Zocor."
>
> I received this, this morning. I'm still thinking how I should answer
> this man, but I do have to answer:
>
> "{...researching} the potential link between statins and neuromuscular
> degeneration. My mother is in the process of being diagnosed with ALS.
> She is 67 and has been a keen runner, running her last half marathon
> last September. She is now barely able to walk, needs a wheelchair when
> out of the house. She was prescribed statins late fall of 2004. When
> her symptoms became a problem to her she stopped taking the statins and
> consulted her doctor. After 3 months off the drugs her symptoms
> appeared to be getting still worse. "
>
> ~~~~~~~~~
>
> Zee

I can only speak for myself. But Statin muscle pain and joint pain
went away after stopping ingestion of Lipitor. This in about two
months. However my physical muscle loss which came on slow then hit
with a vengeance caused my calfs to go from about 18 inches to 14. This
will be a challenge to bring back. It took pain to get the muscle and
it will take pain (AKA Effort) to get it back. Lose seems to correlate
to gain hence hard to discern.

Last sentence may be of import for folks that enjoy muscle stuff. If
you decide to use a statin document your muscle girth and treat it the
same way your Doc looks at your weight. I know I mentioned this before
but is I feel it is a serious concern.

Bill

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