Re: Balanced diet according to Chung WAS:Re: Who should we trust?

John wrote: 
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:48:11 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

John wrote:

"Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

John wrote:

"Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John wrote:

I keep trying to show you guys that I am not Dr. Chung. Do you
believe me yet?

Yes. You're even dimmer than he is. What's that hand sticking out of your back...?

Anyway, I we responding to the previous poster's
apparent desire to change it to 2lbD or something, hard to tell, she's
possibly having a maroon day. I was merely giving you how I always
decoded 2PD, not the full history of how others may or my not have
encoded or decoded it.

Here's some news for you, "John." Nobody cares what you call it. It's not about you, has nothing to do with you and it's really only about Chung's blowhole denial that his 2 pound diet isn't a diet.

And, to further educate you, a balanced diet is one where the food is blessed by God.

John
p.s. better watch out - I'm a week out of heart surgery and starting
to get fiesty again.  ;-)

Guess eating 2 pounds of food a day didn't help with your heart health, huh? Need to be eating more of that "balanced diet" of Chung's.

Well, the heart issues preexisted my trying 2PD by several years and,
as far as I know, BMI and food have very little to do with atrial
fibrillation which was my problem. My arteries are slippery clean.
Always have been. Genetic, I guess. Low BP ~110-70 w/o meds. Great
lipids w/o meds. Just this little rhythm problem.

And you say that prayer didn't help? 

I said no such thing.  In fact, prayer has helped me with this
situation in every possible way,

Except getting rid of it. And given that, there's nothing you can point to that would definitely have been different without your prayer. All assertion, no proof.

You seem to be demanding some kind of proof. But even you should know
that this is a matter of faith and that proof is neither required nor
possible. It is my belief that God heard the prayers and answered
them favorably.

See, "John," you just asserted the obverse of what I said. You said that prayer has helped "in every possible way." That's clearly not true. Every possible way would include to make it disappear. In that clear lack, and no outcome that can't be more rationally be explained otherwise, I implied a simple question: what's *demonstrably* different than it would have been without all this prayer? Prove your assertion. You say it made a difference. Show don't tell.

You say there is no proof and that none is required *if you have faith*. But if readers don't have your faith in the seeming non-events you describe, then you have nothing to offer.

from coping with it as long as
possible, to sorting out all the possible alternatives, to selection
of procedure, doctor and hospital. Every step of the way was covered
in prayer and because of this I could step out in confidence that God
was leading me every step of the way.

But that hand sticking out of your back typed that if anything is asked in the name of Jesus, it would happen. Period.

So either you didn't ask that way for a cure or it didn't happen if you did. Either way, it didn't happen. As for being led each step of the way, so much for free will. Or was it you free choice to follow the instructions?

Of course.

But what happened to that "If you ask for it you'll get it" thing? Not true? If true, did you not ask for it to go away?

If so, what form did these instructions take? Voices? Email? Clouds forming words? A booming voice from above that only you could hear?

No, just a sweet certainty that I was following His path.

No messages you can refer to. No fiery words writ large across the heavens. What distinguishes this from talking to yourself? That "sweet certainty" with no process of communication is a bit troublesome to rational thinkers, I'm afraid. So there's no actual indication of that "path" available?

I can't understand why it didn't instantly cure you.

And who would you be to dictate the manner in which God choses to
answer a prayer?

Oh, it's not me. 

This seems like a lie as the sentence above starts with the word "I"
not "Chung".  You say "I can't understand...."

*** you, "John," and your weaselly, dishonest efforts. Chung said that if you pray for it, you'll get it. If Chung is telling the truth, "I can't understand why it didn't instantly cure you." When you're trying to be cute and coy, you echo the madness and wiseass insincerity of your master Chung, and you do it badly. That instant leap to implying I'm lying is too fast out of the blocks to get that insult in. Breaking the section into parts so you can imply untruth is even more shabby than usual for you and really does read like Chung. You shouldn't be proud of that.

It's Chung saying that anything you ask for properly is guaranteed. Some part of that isn't quite correct, huh...? 

What part doesn't seem to be working?  Seems to me like it is working
wonderfully.

Puhleeeze, "John." You still have the residue of your illness and you always will, by your own words. The part that makes it all go away is what's missing. The big, measurable, demonstrable part. The part that says "something actually happened." The "I asked for it and got it" part.

According to the hand sticking out of your back... I mean Chung, if you fundies pray for *anything*, it *will* happen. Chung said that. *Guaranteed.*

I cashed in that guarantee.

Looks like that check was returned marked "insufficient Fundies."

Looks to me like it was marked "paid in full".

Sure it was. You're still afflicted but everything is exactly as you would have it. Very believable.

This is seriously hilarious, I think. Insufficient fundies...Bwah...

Cute. See what happens when you try to cash the "cute" check. 

There are no checks, "John." There aren't even balances.

I'm still funny.

The real facts here are that Chung's assertions about that "pray and whatever you ask for, you get" certainly hasn't been borne out with you. The illness didn't go away miraculously. You asked and it didn't happen, unless in your faith, you don't really believe it works that way and didn't ask. But the net effect is as though there were no prayer. Nothing's demonstrably different with it.

No, seriously... 

Yes, seriously...


Since I got home from the hospital, I see that my weight has been
dropping about 1/2 lb/day while continuing 2PD as before. I had been
on a plateau for a few months. I'm wondering if the fact that my
resting heart rate is now up to 60 from 45 before surgery has jacked
up my metabolism a little bit? Or maybe its just the prednisone
they're giving me to help the healing process. (Better watch out for
that 'roid rage.)

And watch the famous Prednisone weight gain. Probably ought to cut it to the 1.5 Pound Diet while you're taking it.

God is taking care of this too, as He has everything else.

Except your ongoing health. If your health is dependent on what the doctors do, and that's what your explanations say, then lay out again what role anything divine had?

Do you think that some random person cannot be the instrument of God's
Will? Who are you to limit what God can do or how He does it?

Non sequitur, "John." Based on your reports, what the doctors did is what fixed you to whatever degree you're fixed. There's not one iota of indication that prayer made any difference to any part of the whole episode.

John

p.s. Bob, do you think you could lose that nasty tone that infects
all you write?

"John," you know I'd do almost anything for you, such good friends we've become. And you know how much I admire the utterly genuine expressions you've posted here over the decades. But, see, that nasty tone is directly the responsibility of my XP operating system. Damn thing gets all wordy with my close friends; says nasty things. I'm totally serious about this.


You words sound to me like a new tobacco chewer -
every word brings forth a stream of nasty stuff.  Yeechh.

"John," It's obvious you didn't pay attention in that creative writing class where they talked about creating images. The other thing is that things remind you of things, much like things remind Chung of things. I'm sure you see the problem. And I'm sure you can see that saying my words sound "like a new tobacco chewer..." well, I'm sure on reflection you'll be appropriately embarrassed. Even mortified.

And, as Chung would have you be aware of: "And, to further educate you, a balanced diet is one where the food is blessed by God." Have some of that, "John," it'll pick you right up. It'll say that on the label somewhere. Big fiery thumbprint.

Yes, every day. We ask God to bless our food to the use of our
bodies. He does.

<LOL>> You're descending to Chung's level now. The earmarks of this blessing is what? That it's suddenly a "balanced diet?" - that's what he says it is. That it gives you less gas? What a wonderfully unmeasurable thing you offer.

People call it faith. Yep, it's hard to measure. But people who have
faith require no quantitative measure of the immeasurable.

It's not hard to measure faith; it's impossible. It's also impossible to measure dishonesty. But that's not what the subject is right here. It's what this blessing actually does to food. And how you know anything happens. your words are: " We ask God to bless our food to the use of our bodies. He does." And you know that how...?

And you've said you're an engineer. Indiscernible "change" with no process involved that can be measured. Yet you say something has happened. And what exactly is this blessing? Has it changed the chemical composition? If not, what's the difference? If yes, how has that been determined? And to what has it been changed? 

You sound like one of the mockers standing at the foot of the cross as
described in Matthew 27:41-43.

Yeah. Everything reminds you of something. Try for an original thought sometime instead of quoting some other source.

I don't mock Jesus; I mock you and your fatuous echoes of Chung's lunacy. You've offered all these pieces of faith and not a single thing that your belief can support in daily life. Not a single change, not a single improvement. But you have that "sweet certainty" in the face of not one thing that you can say supports it.

Engineers are empiricists; and you sure ain't either one.

Pastorio
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