Re: Possible problem lowering triglycierides too much with Lipitor???

In article <Xns96E87FE72EBB4some1outthere@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, listener
<listener@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote in
> news:jason-0710050928470001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
> > In article <7Jn1f.1273$B14.8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:jason-0610051713280001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > In article <8Hf1f.867$B14.11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:jason-0610051235290001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> >> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:jason-0510051241560001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA@xxxxxxx>, "Robert"
> >> >> >> > <RobertsSong@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours tennis
> >> >> >> >> > (doubles
> >> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day for 1
> >> >> >> >> > hour, with
> >> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been
> >> >> >> >> > active and
> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in great
> >> >> >> >> > shape and
> >> >> >> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet and
> >> >> >> >> > statin),
> >> >> >> >> > when
> >> >> >> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in
> >> >> >> >> > apparently good
> >> >> >> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05)
> >> >> >> >> > gave the following values respectively:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Total: 205 220
> >> >> >> >> > HDL: 56 65
> >> >> >> >> > LDL: 139 139
> >> >> >> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
> >> >> >> >> > Trigly: 52 82
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the
> >> >> >> >> > 200-230 range,
> >> >> >> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on statins.
> >> >> >> >> > They have
> >> >> >> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded the
> >> >> >> >> > use of statins. However, reading about the overall value
> >> >> >> >> > of statins (I was
> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know
> >> >> >> >> > something about how
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
> >> >> >> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and are
> >> >> >> >> cardio-protective during AMI.
> >> >> >> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
> >> >> >> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate. I
> >> >> >> >> have always
> >> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help me
> >> >> >> >> with that.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Robert,
> >> >> >> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP. I
> >> >> >> > seem to recall a study mentioned in her report that stated
> >> >> >> > that elderly people
> >> >> >> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I
> >> >> >> > don't recall
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a section
> >> >> >> > on page 76-78
> >> >> >> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that
> >> >> >> > section states:
> >> >> >> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall incidents
> >> >> >> > of adverse
> >> >> >> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that
> >> >> >> > found in young
> >> >> >> > adults."
> >> >> >> > Jason
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jason
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> elderly?? senior citizens??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior
> >> >> >> citizen?? well...maybe by definition that gives one discounts
> >> >> >> at IHOP and the movies...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age of
> >> >> > 65? I want
> >> >> > to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time keeping
> >> >> > track of the newest labels for members of various races of
> >> >> > people and other groups
> >> >> > of people.
> >> >> > I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label
> >> >> > saying that people above the age of 60 were able to get the
> >> >> > senior citizen's discount.
> >> >> > Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself
> >> >>
> >> >> perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to be
> >> >> in whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in
> >> >> drugs...
> >> >>
> >> >> what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you are
> >> >> not far
> >> >> from joining US
> >> >>
> >> >> again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP is
> >> >> NOT to be
> >> >> considered "elderly" by any stretch...
> >> >>
> >> >> discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
> >> >> function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with
> >> >> certain meds
> >> >> and the OLDER folks)....
> >> >>
> >> >> my h.o. of course
> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> > I disagree with you related to this subject. I once played on a
> >> > baseball team while in high school. I am now 54 and my former coach
> >> > is about 75 years old. He is in great shape and still plays tennis
> >> > several times per week. However, all of his organs are in much
> >> > worse shape than the organs in the body of a 25 year old man that
> >> > is a couch potatoe. If both of the above people were killed in a
> >> > car accident today, do you think the heart surgean would prefer to
> >> > use the heart of my former coach or the healthy 25 year old man? If
> >> > I had to guess, I don't think that hardly any heart surgean in
> >> > America would transplant the heart of a 75 year old person into
> >> > the body of a young man or young woman. Do you really believe that
> >> > the organs in a 66 year old man work as well as the organs in a
> >> > healthy 25 year old man or woman? You should visit a rest home and
> >> > talk to some of the residents about their health problems. Also,
> >> > visit the local college and I doubt that any student you talk to
> >> > will complain about their health problems.
> >> > Jason
> >>
> >> what ARE you talking about?? who except YOU threw in a 25 year old??
> >>
> >> the studies relating statins and the "elderly" did NOT mean to imply
> >> that 66 is elderly....perhaps you missed the part where the OP said
> >> his mother died suddenly at 83...(it was she who was being referred
> >> to as elderly)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> THAT is what I was getting at..
> >>
> >> also..the "organs" of a 66 year old who plays tennis daily is NOT
> >> comparable to those of an 85 year old...who MAY well have "elderly"
> >> type organs thus statins may do more risk than benefit..
> >>
> >> the OP was NOT asking who wanted his heart,,kidney or liver...
> >>
> >> it was YOU who suddenly decided to argue about this 66 year old being
> >> in the "elderly" category..thus he should jump and buy your book and
> >> read up on statins and elderly
> >>
> >> and YOU who jumps into a discussion of chelating agents and PAD and
> >> offering ANOTHER ridiculous book about calcium...when no where no one
> >> has yet proven that chelation can remove calcium...
> >>
> >> sheesh Jason...you read WAYYY too many books that you cannot fully
> >> understand
> >
> > Hello,
> > You made the same mistake that someone else made. You assume that you
> > know the details related to the medical treatment program discussed in
> > the "The Calcium Bomb". You should read the book before you assume
> > that you know everything that is in the book. The procedure must be
> > done by a medical doctor. It has a 80 per cent success rate. Hundreds
> > of doctors perform the procedure every day.
> > Related to elderly people:
> > At what age do people have "elderly" type organs?
> > My opinion is that most people start having "elderly" type organs
> > between the ages of 50 to 60. Of course, exercise, diet and genes play
> > a role. Jason
> >
>
> Jason,
>
> I'm afraid your "elderly" type brain has gone senile.
>
> L.

L.
At what age did your brain start going senile?
Jason

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