Re: Possible problem lowering triglycierides too much with Lipitor???

jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote in
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> In article <Xns96E87FE72EBB4some1outthere@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, listener
> <listener@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote in
>> news:jason-0710050928470001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>
>> > In article <7Jn1f.1273$B14.8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:jason-0610051713280001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > In article <8Hf1f.867$B14.11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> >> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:jason-0610051235290001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> >> >> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:jason-0510051241560001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA@xxxxxxx>, "Robert"
>> >> >> >> > <RobertsSong@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> message news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours
>> >> >> >> >> > tennis (doubles
>> >> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day
>> >> >> >> >> > for 1 hour, with
>> >> >> >> >> > an
>> >> >> >> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been
>> >> >> >> >> > active and
>> >> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in
>> >> >> >> >> > great shape and
>> >> >> >> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet
>> >> >> >> >> > and statin),
>> >> >> >> >> > when
>> >> >> >> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in
>> >> >> >> >> > apparently good
>> >> >> >> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05)
>> >> >> >> >> > gave the following values respectively:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Total: 205 220
>> >> >> >> >> > HDL: 56 65
>> >> >> >> >> > LDL: 139 139
>> >> >> >> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
>> >> >> >> >> > Trigly: 52 82
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the
>> >> >> >> >> > 200-230 range,
>> >> >> >> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on
>> >> >> >> >> > statins. They have
>> >> >> >> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded
>> >> >> >> >> > the use of statins. However, reading about the overall
>> >> >> >> >> > value of statins (I was
>> >> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know
>> >> >> >> >> > something about how
>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
>> >> >> >> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and
>> >> >> >> >> are cardio-protective during AMI.
>> >> >> >> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
>> >> >> >> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate.
>> >> >> >> >> I have always
>> >> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help
>> >> >> >> >> me with that.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Robert,
>> >> >> >> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP.
>> >> >> >> > I seem to recall a study mentioned in her report that
>> >> >> >> > stated that elderly people
>> >> >> >> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I
>> >> >> >> > don't recall
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a
>> >> >> >> > section on page 76-78
>> >> >> >> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that
>> >> >> >> > section states:
>> >> >> >> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall
>> >> >> >> > incidents of adverse
>> >> >> >> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that
>> >> >> >> > found in young
>> >> >> >> > adults."
>> >> >> >> > Jason
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jason
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> elderly?? senior citizens??
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior
>> >> >> >> citizen?? well...maybe by definition that gives one
>> >> >> >> discounts at IHOP and the movies...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age
>> >> >> > of 65? I want
>> >> >> > to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time
>> >> >> > keeping track of the newest labels for members of various
>> >> >> > races of people and other groups
>> >> >> > of people.
>> >> >> > I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label
>> >> >> > saying that people above the age of 60 were able to get the
>> >> >> > senior citizen's discount.
>> >> >> > Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself
>> >> >>
>> >> >> perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to
>> >> >> be in whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in
>> >> >> drugs...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you
>> >> >> are not far
>> >> >> from joining US
>> >> >>
>> >> >> again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP
>> >> >> is NOT to be
>> >> >> considered "elderly" by any stretch...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
>> >> >> function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with
>> >> >> certain meds
>> >> >> and the OLDER folks)....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> my h.o. of course
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> > I disagree with you related to this subject. I once played on a
>> >> > baseball team while in high school. I am now 54 and my former
>> >> > coach is about 75 years old. He is in great shape and still
>> >> > plays tennis several times per week. However, all of his organs
>> >> > are in much worse shape than the organs in the body of a 25 year
>> >> > old man that is a couch potatoe. If both of the above people
>> >> > were killed in a car accident today, do you think the heart
>> >> > surgean would prefer to use the heart of my former coach or the
>> >> > healthy 25 year old man? If I had to guess, I don't think that
>> >> > hardly any heart surgean in America would transplant the heart
>> >> > of a 75 year old person into the body of a young man or young
>> >> > woman. Do you really believe that the organs in a 66 year old
>> >> > man work as well as the organs in a healthy 25 year old man or
>> >> > woman? You should visit a rest home and talk to some of the
>> >> > residents about their health problems. Also, visit the local
>> >> > college and I doubt that any student you talk to will complain
>> >> > about their health problems. Jason
>> >>
>> >> what ARE you talking about?? who except YOU threw in a 25 year
>> >> old??
>> >>
>> >> the studies relating statins and the "elderly" did NOT mean to
>> >> imply that 66 is elderly....perhaps you missed the part where the
>> >> OP said his mother died suddenly at 83...(it was she who was being
>> >> referred to as elderly)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THAT is what I was getting at..
>> >>
>> >> also..the "organs" of a 66 year old who plays tennis daily is NOT
>> >> comparable to those of an 85 year old...who MAY well have
>> >> "elderly" type organs thus statins may do more risk than benefit..
>> >>
>> >> the OP was NOT asking who wanted his heart,,kidney or liver...
>> >>
>> >> it was YOU who suddenly decided to argue about this 66 year old
>> >> being in the "elderly" category..thus he should jump and buy your
>> >> book and read up on statins and elderly
>> >>
>> >> and YOU who jumps into a discussion of chelating agents and PAD
>> >> and offering ANOTHER ridiculous book about calcium...when no where
>> >> no one has yet proven that chelation can remove calcium...
>> >>
>> >> sheesh Jason...you read WAYYY too many books that you cannot fully
>> >> understand
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > You made the same mistake that someone else made. You assume that
>> > you know the details related to the medical treatment program
>> > discussed in the "The Calcium Bomb". You should read the book
>> > before you assume that you know everything that is in the book. The
>> > procedure must be done by a medical doctor. It has a 80 per cent
>> > success rate. Hundreds of doctors perform the procedure every day.
>> > Related to elderly people:
>> > At what age do people have "elderly" type organs?
>> > My opinion is that most people start having "elderly" type organs
>> > between the ages of 50 to 60. Of course, exercise, diet and genes
>> > play a role. Jason
>> >
>>
>> Jason,
>>
>> I'm afraid your "elderly" type brain has gone senile.
>>
>> L.
>
> L.
> At what age did your brain start going senile?
> Jason
>

Great post, Jase. Suggestion: unbutton those "elderly" stretch slacks and
relax.

L.
.

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