Re: A possible cure for Heart Disease

In article <ZYC1f.2277$xD7.1718@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
<Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:jason-0710051526090001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > In article <L3B1f.1858$we3.1800@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> "Jason" <jason@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:jason-0710051313130001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > In article <1tz1f.9735$oO2.7519@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> > <Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "listener" <listener@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:Xns96E882D33E12Dsome1outthere@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote in
> >> >> > news:jason-0710050933410001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article <Xns96E86E1D8ABEsome1outthere@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, listener
> >> >> >> <listener@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> jason@xxxxxxxxxx (Jason) wrote in
> >> >> >>> news:jason-0610051722510001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > In article <vYh1f.4465$Zs3.3280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> >> >>> > "judy"
> >> >> >>> > <jdytarttakeaway@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >> I read this book and found it quite interesting. The author,
> >> >> >>> >> Douglas Mulhall, was on Coast to Coast last night and he
> >> >> >>> >> mentioned
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I just visited the webstie of Coast to Coast...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> SCAREY!!!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> UFOs alien abductions...etc
> >> >>
> >> >> likely that he is touting chelation as a "cure" for heart disease....
> >> >>
> >> > Hawki,
> >> > You are doing it again. You have NOT read the book but assume that the
> >> > book is "touting chelation as a cure for heart disease".
> >> OK Jason...let's start over....would you believe ANY individual who has
> >> to
> >> tout his "book" on the same website and C to C broadcast where folks are
> >> telling about aliens and UFOs?? if your answer is yes...
> >>
> >> personally and professionally I refuse to read any "books" written by
> >> journalists..as Robert and others have said...tell me when the ideas have
> >> been tested and written up in JAMA...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That's NOT true.
> >> > The procedure is much more complex than just chelation.
> >>
> >>
> >> yep...the "procedure" includes OTHER IV meds..none of which have ever
> >> been
> >> truly proven to affect CAD...and yes..one of the ingredients is
> >> EDTA...which
> >> is Chelation
> >>
> >> There is no way
> >> > that I can explain the procedure or the reasons for each step in the
> >> > procedure. If you want to learn about the procedure--read the book. For
> >> > the other people that read this book--please do not expect chelation to
> >> > cure your heart disease. It won't work. People in this newsroup that
> >> > have
> >> > heart disease should read "Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja
> >> > Hansen. Don't believe what you read about the book in any
> >> > newsgroup--read
> >> > the book and make up your own mind.
> >> > Hawki--you never did answer this question:
> >> > At what age do people start having elderly organs?
> >>
> >>
> >> I didn't answer because there is NO definitive answer...folks that are 90
> >> years old don't necessarily have organs I would deem
> >> "elderly"...yes..perhaps there renal and hepatic function may have
> >> diminished a bit...that does not make those organs worthless simply based
> >> upon age..
> >>
> >> let's see...OK..the lens of the eye loses its elasticiity around the age
> >> of
> >> 40 plus..thus most need reading glasses..guess that could be called
> >> "elderly"..tho my hubby..at 65 got his FIRST pair of readers this
> >> year..and
> >> his distance vision is still 20/20....
> >>
> >>
> >> > I have already given you my answer.
> >> > I could not help but laugh while watching a professional baseball game
> >> > on
> >> > television earlier today. I noticed that all of the players were less
> >> > than
> >> > 45 years old. If the organs in most people over the age of 65 work as
> >> > well
> >>
> >>
> >> so...it is not "organs" in pro athletes that give out
> >>
> >> and yes...MOST organs of those over 65 work as well as at age 50...
> >>
> >>
> >> > as you think they do--how come professionial baseball, football and
> >> > basketball coaches never have people on their teams that are above the
> >> > age
> >> > of 50--most are below the age of 40.
> >>
> >> perhaps because they haven't broken bones and joints and tendons and
> >> ligaments from the "uber" exercise required of professional sports..(but
> >> their bone densisty should be great!!)
> >>
> >> I believe that some people in this
> >> > newsgroup involved in the medical profession have very little knowledge
> >> > of
> >> > the ageing process. I did not have ANY health problems until after I
> >> > was
> >> > 53 years old.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jason...that is NO reason to extrapolalate that all health problems in
> >> all
> >> folks will not occur til the 50's...
> >>
> >> yikes..in my dialysis career I cared for teens,,and young adults who's
> >> kidneys had given out...by your definition..no one under 53 ever has
> >> medical
> >> issues..
> >>
> >> if only it were so black and white
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jason
> >
> > Hawki,
> > You made some great points. You defended your beliefs very well. I don't
> > blame you or anyone else for not accepting or even conducting research on
> > new procedures related to treating heart disease. If you prefer to wait
> > for a study to be done and pubished in JAMA--that's your choice. I have a
> > different point of view. I am interested in new procedures and so are lots
> > of other people that have heart disease. This new procedure treats heart
> > disease in the early stages which is a great idea. I do believe that it's
> > not a permanent cure--a person that has heart disease would probably have
> > to get the treatment at least once or more per year as a result of the
> > calcium and nanobacteria that builds up during that year between
> > treatments.
> > Jason
>
>
> Jason
>
> I will give you THIS much...IF this nanobacteria thing IS part and parcel of
> the atherscelerosis thing...sign me up!!!
> I do not accept "research" until it is over...not during the "what if"
> stage...that is the scientist in me...
>
> For instance...just saw on the FRONT page of the paper that there now is a
> VACCINE that could/should eliminate 100% of all cervical cancers!!!
> 100%...wowie golly....why?? cuz over the years it has become apparent that
> the HPV virus is the causative agent in ALL cases of cervical cancer....10
> years ago this knowledge was in the "do ya think we can prevent" stage of
> development...tho for the past 6 years of so we have been testing for HPV
> with Pap smears
>
> this vaccine is sorta like Salk for polio...intended for use in both sexes
> around the age of 12 (males can be asymptomatic carriers)...and like
> polio...hopefully the incidence of cervical cancer will decline to almost
> nothing..at least in this country...IF the vaccine is made as commonplace as
> polio vaccine is...
>
> so you see...I CAN accept the nanobacteria stuff...I just won't believe it
> from a journalist that writes about it...show me the studies....

Hawki,
You may have to wait a long time since the medications used in the
procedure are off patent and therefore there are no drug companies to pay
the huge costs involved in a major research study. There are hundreds of
doctors in various cities that are performing the procedure. I don't plan
to get it since (like you) I want to see the study results. I know that my
health insur. company would not cover the expense. However, if I was near
death and nothing else was working--I would consider it. Over 700,000 per
year die as a result of heart disease so I think that those doctors
performing the procedure will make lots of money. The procedure mentioned
in the book is much safer and makes more sense than things like
angioplasti (spelling??). I hope that the vaccine you mentioned saves lots
of lives. I'm glad that you accept new procedures. I was beginning to
think that everyone in this newsgroup had a closed mind related to new
procedures and cures. Have a great weekend.
Jason

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