Re: Good to see you back Andrew

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:53:10 -0600, Pramesh Rutajit
<p2976221tongue@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>John wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:44:37 -0600, Pramesh Rutajit
>> <p2976221tongue@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>wazzad wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good to see you back brother Andrew. May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you
>>>> richly and pour His Spirit in a great abundance on you.
>>>>
>>>> God bless you.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>
>>>Of course, not in the same way he blessed 200,000 with death via a Tsunami
>>>last year or even in the same way as the 20,000 people he killed in an
>>>earthquake "blessing" in the last week. Then again, maybe he was too busy
>>>shooting down asteroids heading our way (his own mistakes) or evolving new
>>>avian viruses to bless us with. You can't trust him though, that's for
>>>darn sure.
>>>
>>>"I[the Lord] ... create evil" Isaiah 45:7
>>
>> You seem to be having difficulty becoming resolved with the fact of
>> your own mortality. In fact, somewhere between 50 and 100 million
>> people die every year from entirely natural causes.
>
>Your god likes death - it's his fundamental nature. If man wants to avoid
>death, he is going to have to fix all the "mistakes" your god made and
>achieve immortality by the strength of his own hand. Your god only intends
>to save a few and damn all the rest even though he created them each
>exactly the way they are.

I disagree. My God likes love. It is His fundamental motivation.

Death is unavoidable for all mortal creatures (plants too). Get over
it. My God will save all who will accept Him. No limits.

>> How about them
>> apples. Nevertheless, I consider my life, however long it may be, a
>> wonderful blessing from God. At my life's end, I expect to achieve
>> everlasting life through Christ Jesus. You can too.
>>
>> John
>
>Or perhaps Allah, or any number of mythical beings promising everlasting
>life - pick a myth and take your chances! The christ myth is one in which
>the christ picks you, you don't earn anything, and his "picking" is
>according to some random algorithm that has nothing to do with your
>actions.

This is not the Christianity I know. The "algorithm" is executed in
your own mind. If you, of your OWN free will, give your life to
Christ, you will be saved. No "picking". It's up to you.

>Your god in your myth made each person exactly the way he wanted
>each person, genetic defects and imperfections and all. Hence, if you're
>fucked you're fucked (and were predestined to be fucked) and you should
>praise Christ for being fucked while your burn in hell for ever. If you're
>saved you're saved, and well, the same praises except you get to have the
>monotony of eternal praising.

He made us all in His image. Of all the aspects of His image, the
most important are love and free will. He has them. He created us
with them.

>In any case, the "perfect" god you depend on
>created a world full of evil because an evil world was what he wanted. If
>he had wanted a non-evil world, he would or could have created one
>(according to the omnipotent fiction of the Christ myth). Admit it, your
>christ created evil because that is christ's nature, red in tooth and claw.
>The evil in the world proves that your christ doesn't exist except in your
>own deluded mind. I don't know how rational people can take mythical
>stores and enflesh them in literalness and then insist that they're
>personal god bull*** is the god bull*** everyone should partake of!

A world without the possibility of evil would also be a world without
choice. A world without choice would be a world without love. The
worst of the evils in this world are caused by people making bad
choices with their free will.

>In any case, your god kills daily, has no morals, and is impotentant. How
>anyone can trust in something that is a source of constant and complete
>failure is beyond rationality. I don't know why think all this death by
>your Christ is such a good and holy thing. The Christ myth is complete
>bull***.

People kill daily, have no morals and are impotent to save themselves.
But there is an answer. You already know what it is but prefer to
wallow in your pride.

In Christ,
John
.