Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/17/05)

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <437A6668.D4D4ECC4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

>Don Kirkman wrote:

>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>> article <1132052804.421075.213110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

[. . .]

>No, this is not a game for me because I am not playing. My purpose here
>remains to inform.

>> You pay no
>> attention to the rules the designers and users of newsgroups have agreed
>> on.

>Actually, my purpose here is completely in line with the rules that the
>designers and users of newsgroups have agreed upon. This would not be
>the case if my purpose here was to play.

Which part of this is your purpose in line with?

[Begin]
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
communication between health care providers, scientists and other
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.

The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
[End]

Remember like all newsgroups in the "big eight" categories
sci.med.cardiology went through an official pre-organizational
discussion of the interests and goals of the founders, concluding with a
formal audited vote of those who established it. Many of them were
medical professionals in various specialties; their interest was in
sharing the scientific knowledge relevant to cardiology.

>You have not seen me play to know one way or the other. For this
>reason, you continue to write out of ignorance.

I have seen many uninformative posts from you.

[. . .]

>> >> >The LORD guides me in all that I say, do, or write :-)

>> >> But you have no evidence for that assertion, merely an intuition or some
>> >> passing confluence of brain cell activity.

>> >You write out of ignorance.

>> You write without evidence.

>The writing is itself evidence.

The writing is evidence you can spell and can string words together;
there is no evidence to support what you write.

[. . .]

>> >> You love word games, Andy

>> >Again, this is not a game for me.

>> Nevertheless

I like it better the way I wrote it:

"Nevertheless your behavior is that of a person playing games rather
than of a person engaging others in honest discussion."

>In your opinion.

In my observation of your posts for several years.

>> >> >> As I said (and which you apparently chose to misunderstand) your walk is
>> >> >> that of a small minority of all those, past and present, who have
>> >> >> followed the Christian way. Parts of your walk seem to be only your
>> >> >> own, not shared with any other community.

>> >> >Each person's walk is his/her own, not shared by any other in the
>> >> >community.

>> >> You seem to have overlooked one of the basic teachings of the Christian
>> >> tradition--one based on centuries of Jewish history. According to the
>> >> ancient Apostles Creed,

>> >> "I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of
>> >> saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the
>> >> life everlasting. AMEN."

>> >> Perhaps God has given you a special dispensation to abandon what the
>> >> church has believed and taught. Not!

>> >It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD and to continue
>> >obeying Him.

>> So you seemingly have chosen to forsake the fellowship of the saints
>> within the Christian community.

>Sanctification is not complete until departure from this world.

"Sanctification" is a specific doctrine which is interpreted differently
in different streams of Christian teaching; "the saints" are those who
have joined the community. Peter went to meet the saints who lived at
Lydda. Paul went to Jerusalem "with aid for the saints." Paul asks the
Romans to give his greetings to all the saints among them. Paul salutes
the saints in Corinth and in Ephesus. I assume you own a Bible; you
could look these things up.

May I recommend, once again, that you obtain and use some reference
materials to help you avoid these egregious errors about Christianity?

>> >John 21:21-22

>> Which says nothing about your choice to live outside the community
>> tradition.

>It does for those who are able to discern the truth.

It does not in the plain text; I prefer that source to some mythical
power of discernment.

>> "When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, 'Lord, what about
>> this man?' Jesus said to him , 'If it is my will that he remain until I
>> come, what is that to you? Follow me!'" is about Peter asking Jesus
>> what would happen to a fellow disciple;

>Yes, on the surface.

And as far into the text as one cares to go.

>> Jesus says that is not really
>> Peter's business to worry about.

>... and that each person's walk with Christ will be his/her own, not
>shared with others.

That is not what is clearly written in the passage I quoted. Jesus is
not speaking of walking a life not shared with others but of taking care
of one's own affairs and trusting God to take care of others.

>> As I've suggested before, you really
>> should get some good reference books and learn the meanings of some of
>> the texts you toss out.

>It remains my choice to keep my eyes focused on LORD Jesus Christ, Whom
>I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

Love without content is a mere emotion, perhaps even generated by a wisp
of perfume or a bit of bad meat or a transient electrical discharge in
the brain.

>> >> >> >It remains my choice to obey GOD and fulfill His purpose for me here,
>> >> >> >which is to inform. It is LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I love with all my
>> >> >> >heart, soul, mind, and strength, Who saves.

>> >> >> To inform requires content;

>> >> >Correct. Folks can find plenty of content authored by me (with GOD's
>> >> >help) via the Google archives. It is to GOD's glory that the amount of
>> >> >content is more than humanly possible.

>> >> There are plenty of *words* you have written, but they are as dry leaves
>> >> before the wind, withered and dying; the life has gone out of them.

[. . .]

>> Ah, so your lifeless logomachy is because you are without the LORD,
>> perhaps.

>It would be your choice to keep guessing.

I cannot keep doing something I have never started. There is no
guessing about your behavior. I merely applied the syllogism you
provided.

[. . .]

>> >> >> you routinely refuse to provide content when
>> >> >> your bald assertions are questioned

>> >> >It remains my choice to ignore what is untrue.

A request for content is neither true nor untrue, it is simply a request
for you to provide support for your assertions.

>> >> Obviously it also remains your choice not to engage in any discussion
>> >> with others of your vapid opinions
>>
>> >What I discern are not opinions.
>>
>> No, what you discern is nothing more than your own opinions about God
>> and your fellow men.
>
>The truth is not opinion.
>
>> You have no evidence to support them.
>
>The truth is its own evidence.
>
>> >> >> --a failure which you often blame on
>> >> >> God
>>
>> >> by subterfuges such as claiming God's time is not right

>> >It remains your choice to bear false witness.

>> You must be joking,

>> or have you forgotten how often you have invoked
>> God's telling you not to reveal the facts about the great numbers of
>> 2PDiet experimenters

>More false witness.

How child-like to deny what exists in the records.

>> or, within the past few days, that the time is not
>> right to post transcripts of your chats?

>Gary's time is not right. However, God's time is always right.

Did you learn nothing from Jesus' admonition to Peter to tend to his own
affairs and not concern yourself about God's will for another?

>> Two examples of many.

>Many have chosen to bear false witness.

And it appears you may aspire to be the chief among them.

>> >> or that God has
>> >> instructed you not to share information you claim to have available.

>> >More false witness.

>> Show me the falsehood in my previous paragraph.

>The LORD has not instructed me to not share information with others.

More falsehood. You have said so a number of times, including in a
current thread with Gary.

[. . .]

>In Christ's love always,

More falsehood.
--
Don Kirkman
.

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