Re: Statins and side effects......


"Larry" <larry@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:7lNGf.25$7t.23@xxxxxxxxxxx
Hawki63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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Sharon Hope wrote:


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You said:

"For the record, the disabling and debilitating serious adverse
effects of statins can take far longer to recover from, and can do

more


damage than,some heart attacks."



except the heart attacks that kill you

then you no longer have to worry about side effects


One more time, inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT
automatically mean that patient will suffer a heart attack.

It is not binary - statin or heart attack.

It is well documented that statins make a miniscule difference in absolute
risk of a heart attack. Unfortunately, the public is encouraged to think
that heart attack is now simply an automatic and certain "punishment" for
anyone not taking statins - whether they suffer disabling adverse effects
or not.

Certainly as a health professional you know that is not the reality.






That's right, Sharon. And using the same logic ... just because someone is
on a statin does NOT automatically mean that they are going to have adverse
effects.

Larry


thank you....it surely read asif it was "statins OR heart attack".....thus
tempting the side effects of a statin could result in "disabling adverse
effects worse than a heart attack"..

my comment...the heart attack could kill you...was totally lost in the
translation

as a healthcare professional...and one who can prescribe..and one who has
personally and family have taken a slew of script drugs for this thing and
that...my first question is "why would anyone continue with a med after its
use causes deveastating side effects REGARDLESS of what the doc may have
said..."

in my experience...give someone a NEW med...if in a month or so..that
patient experiences new and devestating adverse effects...MOST folks will
discontinue said med ON their own...then come in and demand an alternative
etc...

my own hubby...after his his MI was first given Lipitor (his lipids were
sky high...AND he had had a life threatening event).....within a month his
muscles ached etc....well golleee...we both looked at what was new...the
Lipitor...he stopped taking them post haste...THEN on next visit he told
cardiologist..."No more Lipitor"....duh...his lipids of course were back to
sky high pre MI level...doc said "OKI...let's try
Pravachol"....golleee...NO adverse effects...lipids came back down...and 4
years later...continues that way

I on the other hand...started with Pravachol...NO adverse effects...also NO
change in lipids.s..I stopped the med on my own after a year...why "risk"
any side effects.....

now I take Lipitor..NO side effects...lipids have dropped by half..


my point.....MOST if not many patients WILL stop taking any med that gives
them appreciable side effects....REGARDLESS of whether the health care
provider says "cannot be drug X"...with an N of 1...it is easy to sit back
and see if said adverse effects disappear....and extrapolate that it was
indeed drug X...

health care professionals may write the scripts...but they are surely not
in your home each day forcing you to take whatever med...

stopping a drug like a statin when "new" symptoms appear...IS the approach
most patients take...

my h.o.
To you and Bill: To be honest, I can almost see Sharon's side of the story
on this particular issue. We all tend to think that our doctors are
well-trained and out for our best interests. It really takes a lot for a
lay-person to call a doctor's advice and recommendations into question ...
regardless of how bad the side effects are. If he/she says this is something
you need and/or something that will help me, I know I tend to "grit my
teeth", "suck in my gut", and "take my medicine". Going for 4 years? That I
don't know about. I probably would have at least gone for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th
opinion ... and to a major medical center at that. Perhaps she and her
husband did so. And it isn't always obvious that whatever symptoms you are
experiencing at the time are side effects from a drug or some new ailment.
Sometimes the doctors will tell you you're a hypochondriac. Sometimes you
only realize this kind of thing by looking back retrospectively at the sum
of all the events.

What I am saying is there is nothing about Sharon's claims or methods that I
approve of. I still think no matter what her husband's experience has been,
it is in a very small minority of cases and she has done a poor job of
substantiating anything more than that. But you can't fault her husband for
doing what he was told and following doctor's orders.

Larry E.

I disagree also. But that's not my point. I can also understand someone having
serious guilt after the fact. In order to resolve this one might change their
perception of reality as a defense mechanism and then continue this.

For example, studies have been done on people who have waited on long lines to
see a movie and people who did not wait on line at all to see the same movie.
Both groups were asked how they rated the film. You would think that the
people who did not wait would rate the movie higher because they had a better
experience. The opposite was true. Why? The people who waited on long lines
could not change their perception that they had waited for a long time. So
they changed their perception of the movie to justify their actions in their
minds.

Bill


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    ... inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT automatically mean that patient will suffer a heart attack. ... the public is encouraged to think that heart attack is now simply an automatic and certain "punishment" for anyone not taking statins - whether they suffer disabling adverse effects or not. ... We have to use medical professionals as consultants. ...
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    ... the disabling and debilitating serious adverse ... inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT ... It is not binary - statin or heart attack. ...
    (sci.med.cardiology)
  • Re: Statins and side effects......
    ... inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT automatically mean that patient will suffer a heart attack. ... the public is encouraged to think that heart attack is now simply an automatic and certain "punishment" for anyone not taking statins - whether they suffer disabling adverse effects or not. ... my point.....MOST if not many patients WILL stop taking any med that gives them appreciable side effects....REGARDLESS of whether the health care provider says "cannot be drug X"...with an N of 1...it is easy to sit back and see if said adverse effects disappear....and extrapolate that it was indeed drug X... ...
    (sci.med.cardiology)
  • Re: Statins and side effects......
    ... the disabling and debilitating serious adverse ... effects of statins can take far longer to recover from, ... inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT ... It is not binary - statin or heart attack. ...
    (sci.med.cardiology)
  • Re: Statins and side effects......
    ... the disabling and debilitating serious adverse ... effects of statins can take far longer to recover from, ... inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT ... It is not binary - statin or heart attack. ...
    (sci.med.cardiology)