Re: Statins and side effects......


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Sharon Hope wrote:


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You said:

"For the record, the disabling and debilitating serious adverse
effects of statins can take far longer to recover from, and can do

more


damage than,some heart attacks."



except the heart attacks that kill you

then you no longer have to worry about side effects


One more time, inability of a patient to tolerate a statin does NOT
automatically mean that patient will suffer a heart attack.

It is not binary - statin or heart attack.

It is well documented that statins make a miniscule difference in
absolute risk of a heart attack. Unfortunately, the public is
encouraged to think that heart attack is now simply an automatic and
certain "punishment" for anyone not taking statins - whether they suffer
disabling adverse effects or not.

Certainly as a health professional you know that is not the reality.






That's right, Sharon. And using the same logic ... just because someone
is on a statin does NOT automatically mean that they are going to have
adverse effects.

Larry


thank you....it surely read asif it was "statins OR heart
attack".....thus tempting the side effects of a statin could result in
"disabling adverse effects worse than a heart attack"..

my comment...the heart attack could kill you...was totally lost in the
translation

as a healthcare professional...and one who can prescribe..and one who has
personally and family have taken a slew of script drugs for this thing
and that...my first question is "why would anyone continue with a med
after its use causes deveastating side effects REGARDLESS of what the doc
may have said..."

in my experience...give someone a NEW med...if in a month or so..that
patient experiences new and devestating adverse effects...MOST folks will
discontinue said med ON their own...then come in and demand an
alternative etc...

my own hubby...after his his MI was first given Lipitor (his lipids were
sky high...AND he had had a life threatening event).....within a month
his muscles ached etc....well golleee...we both looked at what was
new...the Lipitor...he stopped taking them post haste...THEN on next
visit he told cardiologist..."No more Lipitor"....duh...his lipids of
course were back to sky high pre MI level...doc said "OKI...let's try
Pravachol"....golleee...NO adverse effects...lipids came back down...and
4 years later...continues that way

I on the other hand...started with Pravachol...NO adverse effects...also
NO change in lipids.s..I stopped the med on my own after a year...why
"risk" any side effects.....

now I take Lipitor..NO side effects...lipids have dropped by half..


my point.....MOST if not many patients WILL stop taking any med that
gives them appreciable side effects....REGARDLESS of whether the health
care provider says "cannot be drug X"...with an N of 1...it is easy to
sit back and see if said adverse effects disappear....and extrapolate
that it was indeed drug X...

health care professionals may write the scripts...but they are surely not
in your home each day forcing you to take whatever med...

stopping a drug like a statin when "new" symptoms appear...IS the
approach most patients take...

my h.o.
To you and Bill: To be honest, I can almost see Sharon's side of the story
on this particular issue. We all tend to think that our doctors are
well-trained and out for our best interests. It really takes a lot for a
lay-person to call a doctor's advice and recommendations into question ...
regardless of how bad the side effects are. If he/she says this is
something you need and/or something that will help me, I know I tend to
"grit my teeth", "suck in my gut", and "take my medicine". Going for 4
years? That I don't know about. I probably would have at least gone for a
2nd, 3rd, 4th opinion ... and to a major medical center at that. Perhaps
she and her husband did so. And it isn't always obvious that whatever
symptoms you are experiencing at the time are side effects from a drug or
some new ailment. Sometimes the doctors will tell you you're a
hypochondriac. Sometimes you only realize this kind of thing by looking
back retrospectively at the sum of all the events.

What I am saying is there is nothing about Sharon's claims or methods that
I approve of. I still think no matter what her husband's experience has
been, it is in a very small minority of cases and she has done a poor job
of substantiating anything more than that. But you can't fault her husband
for doing what he was told and following doctor's orders.


sorry...I disagree...I would NO longer follow doctor's orders with the
extent of side effects experienced by Sharon's docs than spit at the moon

it is called personal responsibility

having MD after one's name does NOT infer infallibilility

I also have a very tuf time imagining that with 52 or so referrals..not ONE
doc questioned the statins as cause of side effects...

maybe one stupid doc..but 52???

ps...do not EVER follow any doctor's orders if you truly feel worse after
being placed on a new med...give it a month..maybe two...

those patient inserts with their side effect profiles are meant for any
patient who can read...



Larry E.


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