Re: WrongedPatient Interested inSuitSpeaks...

From: Jeffrey Krantz DDS (drref33_at_verizon.net)
Date: 06/17/04 

Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:55:21 GMT

when a patient says that he or herself was shocked by an inability to find
the nerve. there is only one thought that comes to mind.

You are full of ***.
"Williams" <ukphrt4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ed2a15f7.0406160042.aa1c6a0@posting.google.com...
> > > I don't know what the appropriate response would be at this point, but
> > > I believe he must be made to know this is inappropriate. You can be
> > > sure my daughter knows this is inappropriate.
>
>
> Even though I knew the dentists behavior was inappropriate, I was
> really shocked by my inability to find the nerve to ask him to please
> stop hugging me. I wonder what your daughter would have done in
> similar circumstances. It may be a good idea to run this by her. If
> she a young person, I would advise she rehearse her response with you
> or a frind because it's always a shock when it comes from a
> professional such as your teacher, doctor or employer. I want to
> report this to the right authority because if he's still at it, I can
> only assume that no one ever confronted him before.
>
> Come to think of it, one thing I did find very pecular about Dr.X was
> that he never, ever entered the treatment room without his sidekick
> male-assistant. If his assistant was busy, Dr.X waited outside the
> doorway in the hallway until his assistant showed up.
>
> I now think this may well indicate that the dentist has been called on
> this before and therefore may only practice with a witness present. It
> all makes sense now.
>
> Mentioning this to the HMO won't do any real good - I was told it
> will stay in the record though but this DDS usually uses no insurance
> company at all. He took my case because I had been seeing another
> dentist in the same office who suddenly left. I guess the state dental
> society may be a better place to report this incident.
>
> It's not a he-said, she-said type of arguement since others were
> present, and I doubt he'd even deny it. I just want it on record. If
> he wants to challange me, fine. Thanks for being supportive. I was at
> first very confused but now I'm thinking a bit clearer. This is
> really nasty business - reporting some one's inappropriate behavior.
> No body likes to do it but the line has to be clearly drawn some
> where. I won't put my head in the sand on this one. It could save a
> few future woman or girls from feeling as I did.
> Williams
>
>
>
> "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote in message
news:<RJLzc.24675$eH1.11299851@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
> > Was this a side to side hug with only one shoulder touching? Or was his
> > chest pressed up against your back? Only done in front of other people,
> > right?
> >
> > --
> > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
> > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> > Troy, Michigan, USA
> > ....................................................
> >
> > This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes
only.
> > Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting
on
> > the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined
you
> > in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will
affect
> > your health.
> > ......................
> > "Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinnospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:40CF877A.70308@earthlink.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Williams wrote:
> > > >> Quite apart from the apparent negligence and insensitivity, there
is
> > > >>some issue of battery (unwanted contact). This is a gray area
because
> > > >>it is not beyond conjecture as to how explicit your objection was.
> > > >> I don't know that you wish to retain a lawyer--dental cases are
> > > >>difficult, and since they are generally taken on contingency it is
> > > >>likely not worth the effort. But the possibility that there is a
sexual
> > > >>angle to this casts the episode in a somewhat different light. Does
the
> > > >>HMO know about this, or just that your dentistry was reported as
> > > >>substandard by another dentist?
> > > >>
> > > >>Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am glad you brought this serious subject up because I am trying to
> > > > prepare a statement which will be included in the grievance case
which
> > > > is still open through this coming Friday. If anything, it may
support
> > > > another woman's claim someday and that's invaluable to me. When
> > > > something like this happens you can rest assure, it is happening to
> > > > others, and may already be recorded somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Unwanted contact between boss/employee, doctor/patient, is a very
> > > > delicate subject and I want to make certain I'm understood. I think
my
> > > > no-comment reaction to his contact might be classic under the
> > > > circumstances. I am usually highly assertive and yet, while the
words
> > > > mulled in my mind, "Please do not touch me like that anymore, I
don't
> > > > like it", they just would not come out.
> > > >
> > > > Instead I froze thinking, what if it's just his way of showing
> > > > friendship? What if it has something to do with his being an older
> > > > man from a different generation? (Same as mine, actually) What if I
> > > > insult him? What if, what if?Confused thoughts all woman are
familiar
> > > > with, and after all, he had this habit of creeping up behind me and
> > > > hugging my shoulders tightly - only in public. If it happened only
in
> > > > private it might be another story. But still, the thought never
leaves
> > > > me: it was the way a lover generally acts. Or it could be
interpreted
> > > > as the the way a larger person tickles a small child to illicit a
> > > > happy response that isn't genuine at all and actually feels horribly
> > > > uncomfortable to the child. Perhaps it was his condescending method
of
> > > > forcing a smile from an unhappy patient. I find this behavior to be
> > > > most unprofessional and inappropriate and I'm positive he would
never
> > > > think of treating his male patients in such a condenscending way. He
> > > > should be called on this and I guess I'm the one elected. So be it.
> > > > Williams
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know what the appropriate response would be at this point, but
> > > I believe he must be made to know this is inappropriate. You can be
> > > sure my daughter knows this is inappropriate.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote in
> > message news:<2j6qu4FtcmguU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> > > >
> > > >>Williams wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>X-No-archive: yes
> > > >>>I've read all your replies and I wanted to reply to all. I assure
you,
> > > >>>I am not a sue-happy slug and except for consulting a divorce
lawyer
> > > >>>many years ago, I have never consulted a lawyer for anything else.
> > > >>>Considering my age, that must be a record of some kind. It's more
than
> > > >>>just a personality problem - work itself is shoddy.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>When I told my dentist (practicing 30 years - works for dental
> > > >>>company) I wanted a second opinion from another dentist BEFORE he
> > > >>>permanently cemented what I considered a questionable bridge in
place,
> > > >>>he became enraged. He had shouted at me in the past, and shown
other
> > > >>>odd behaviors unbecoming for a dentist including repeatedly
sneaking
> > > >>>up behind me and hugging my shoulders when ever I was at the
> > > >>>appointment desk. (I am a woman) My response was to noticably
> > > >>>freeze-up and back away - a simple gesture anyone with two eyes
from
> > > >>>any culture would understand. One more time (I give four chances
> > > >>>first) and I was going to shout loud and clear for everyone in the
> > > >>>office to hear, "Dr.X, please, don't touch me like that again!"
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Dr.X, had a way of tuning me out when ever I complained of
inordinate
> > > >>>gum sensitivity in a front anchor-tooth. By the way, just as an
aside,
> > > >>>he had forgotten to remove the green cord from that tooth before
> > > >>>putting the temp in place which resulted in a painful infection.
(same
> > > >>>tooth as cavity) When the cord finally worked it's way out on it's
own
> > > >>>I told the dentist about this and there was no response from him.
No
> > > >>>reply, no explanation - not even a nod.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The 2nd opinion dentist noticed a few things wrong with the bridge
and
> > > >>>encouraged me to file a grievance - and get the work redone
elsewhere.
> > > >>>The original dentist then said I could have my money back minus the
> > > >>>lab fees. I objected to paying the lab fee because I don't think I
> > > >>>should absorb the dentists mistake - either does the HMO's
consulting
> > > >>>dentist.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The nature of the damage regarding the work has already been been
> > > >>>reported by my HMO's grievance committee's consulting dentist. The
> > > >>>case is pending. I don't know if they will reimburse me for total
fees
> > > >>>paid only, or add more to cover the full expenses of the larger
work
> > > >>>recommended by the consulting dentist which from the impression he
> > > >>>gave me, arose from the dentists shoddy work.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Aside of the bridge not fitting well at all, it has a fracture in
the
> > > >>>front tooth, and a cavity under that same tooth's post/buildup
(Dr.X
> > > >>>did the PB) which may likely result in that tooth's removal. (I
will
> > > >>>need an endo opinion to verify what needs to be done.)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The HMO's consulting DDS doubts that front anchor tooth will be
able
> > > >>>to support a bridge any longer, even it if it is saved, and so
> > > >>>recommended a different kind of bridge involving more teeth and a
> > > >>>key-way addition for three back teeth. In all, nine teeth. Very
> > > >>>expensive and chancey. One goes wrong, they all go wrong.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Someone here mentioned that grievance's are highly stressful. I
found
> > > >>>the process to be an enjoyable breeze compared to the unbelieveable
> > > >>>stress I endured from Dr.X's treatment. If $ were no problem, I'd
> > > >>>have walked out the first day he began work - but I'd already paid
IN
> > > >>>FULL - green cash. This dentist was the roughest dentist I'd ever
been
> > > >>>to. When he began drilling It felt as if I had no shot at all. I
was
> > > >>>jumping all over the chair and when I asked him to please go easy,
he
> > > >>>continued as before. I have a mouthful of crowns and root canals
and
> > > >>>have been down that road many times so I know what I'm saying when
I
> > > >>>tell you I felt like I was being beaten up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I don't think this man is normal, and seriously wonder if he should
> > > >>>still be practicing? Dr. X's wanting to permanently cement on an
> > > >>>ill-fitting, fractured bridge on an unstable anchor-tooth (with a
> > > >>>cavity) is outragous! AND - if this wasn't enough, his yelling at
me
> > > >>>when I said I wanted a second opinion first, convinced me he is off
> > > >>>his rocker and should be stopped. Come on, don't you? Somebody
should
> > > >>>confront this guy.
> > > >>>Talk about your Little Shop of Horrors...
> > > >>
> > > >> Quite apart from the apparent negligence and insensitivity, there
is
> > > >>some issue of battery (unwanted contact). This is a gray area
because
> > > >>it is not beyond conjecture as to how explicit your objection was.
> > > >> I don't know that you wish to retain a lawyer--dental cases are
> > > >>difficult, and since they are generally taken on contingency it is
> > > >>likely not worth the effort. But the possibility that there is a
sexual
> > > >>angle to this casts the episode in a somewhat different light. Does
the
> > > >>HMO know about this, or just that your dentistry was reported as
> > > >>substandard by another dentist?
> > > >>
> > > >>Steve
> > > >
> > >

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