Re: Implants Price?

From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS (bornfeldmung_at_dentaltwins.com)
Date: 07/06/04 

Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:46:15 -0400

Havirrion wrote:

> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS wrote:
>
>> Havirrion wrote:
>>
>>> Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:11:26 GMT, Havirrion
>>>> <havirrion@NOblueDAMNyonderSPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:09:32 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:45:40 GMT, Ron.@jps.net (Ron) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind of naive and an invalid analogy
>>>>>>>> Do the math.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New computer 300
>>>>>>>> 1 yr internet 125
>>>>>>>> total $425
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> root canal 925
>>>>>>>> crown 650
>>>>>>>> total $1575
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where can I get one of those $300 computers ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 486 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My last one cost $250 ........ 2.4 gig processor 30 gig HD ...... CD
>>>>>> burner etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It works too ......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only problem is that its kerosense driven ......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you can help me here Joel. Why is it so many of the dentists
>>>>> here draw fascicle conclusions about a low income family buying a
>>>>> computer-something which may help their kids not end up in the same
>>>>> situation as their parents-and them not giving their dental needs a
>>>>> sufficiently high priority? It just smacks of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> REPLY
>>>>
>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>> I agree regarding anything concerning education. These are
>>>> investments.
>>>>
>>>> For many careers, a decent car is a similar investment. The guy can
>>>> barely be making ends meet (no money for teeth) yet still drive a
>>>> snazzy car ..... it can improve i nthe future.
>>>>
>>>> .... and vacations ....... investing in quality family time is
>>>> important. Unfortunately, the simplest visit to the dentist cost
>>>> hundreds upon hundreds of dollars .... I can see the problem from
>>>> here!
>>>>
>>>> I frequently stress to become smart about expenditures. Yeah I can
>>>> afford cable modems and DSL, but I always mention how excellent the
>>>> $9.95 dial-up connection is.
>>>>
>>>> What can one do with cable connection that I cannot do with dial-up?
>>>> Download MP3s? As I said ........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JOEL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DSL and Cable modem services have nearly reached commodity point in
>>> the USA, dialup will be dead and buried pretty soon as companies can
>>> provide high capacity alternatives more cost effectively.
>>>
>>> I get annoyed by people who take to bashing those on low incomes for
>>> trying to provide for their children the wealth of opportunities and
>>> experiences available to the children of the more affluent. For the
>>> family on a low income this means sacrifices, generally made by the
>>> parents.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The distinction between health care and politics is IMO an
>> artificial one. However, political discussions on usenet seldom come
>> to any good. While there are some left-leaning folk here (I am one),
>> most of the dentists here steer clear of political discussions, having
>> seen how they develop.
>> I would view the hostility you've seen in that light, and not as a
>> personal attack, nor as insensitivity to the poor (which it could
>> certainly seem to be).
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> Well in a lot of the health care related politics the problem seems to
> be avarice. I was just looking over the forums on dentaltown.com and it
> is full of arrogant,money obsessed dentists. General health care has
> this problem too. It is a culture that does a disservice to a noble and
> ostensibly honest profession.

        A large proportion of the posting here (and arguably a higher
proportion at Dentaltown) consists of dentists venting about real or
imagined problems--more akin to the talk at the local pub than at a true
clinical forum. There is certainly legitimate attention to posted
problems from patients, but it is often difficult to filter out what is
not addressed to patients. There is also a high proportion of posts
from disgruntled patients, conspiracists, and the vocal fringe. It is
hard sometimes not to react defensively.
        Not surprisingly, things are much quieter and more rational in the
average clinical setting.
        I take no particular comfort in the perceived honesty of the
profession. The profession is no more honest nor ethical than the
individual practitioner. I'll take responsibility for my part, and the
profession will have to take care of itself.

Steve

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