Re: question about splints

From: The Webby (nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam_at_san.rr.com)
Date: 07/14/04 

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:53:52 GMT

I know you trust my word. I wish it were so that the patients were
comfortable sharing their experiences (positive and negative) because
both speak English. In Italy, there would be many other people with
experiences but for whom sharing in English or via Usenet might not be
an option.

Anyway you look at it, there are options available today that make it
clear that there are plenty of cases that can be managed and/or resolved
in ways that are not surgically invasive; with techniques based in ideas
that are now very often questioned by both surgeons and non-surgeons.

Fascinating.

TW

In article <Ye_Ic.635$Yx4.23@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,
 "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:

> That's okay, you don't have to compromise anyone's privacy. I trust your
> word.
>
> --
> ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> Troy, Michigan, USA
> ....................................................
>
> This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
> Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
> the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
> in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
> your health.
> ......................
> "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-C8C4E2.15574313072004@orngca-news04.socal.
> rr.com...
> > The first one (the case you're familiar with) was initiated in 1997.
> > The other two (one from Canada and the other American, from Texas) were
> > both initiated here in California; one in 1997 and the other in 1999, as
> > best I can recall. The years begin to run together, Dr. Steve.... life
> > is like a blur sometimes. I hesitate to give out too much information
> > for the sake of privacy to the patients. Details, details ... it's all
> > in the details.
> >
> > TW
> >
> > In article <8jYIc.337$J12.252@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I know of the one case, but did I know about the other two and forget,
> or
> > > are they more recent?
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
> > > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> > > Troy, Michigan, USA
> > > ....................................................
> > >
> > > This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes
> only.
> > > Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting
> on
> > > the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined
> you
> > > in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will
> affect
> > > your health.
> > > ......................
> > > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > >
> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-8B7B46.12564413072004@orngca-news04.socal.
> > > rr.com...
> > > > Three A.G.E.LK cases. Two from USA and one from Canada.
> > > > TW
> > > >
> > > > In article <XxWIc.1411$Or2.1172@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 3 cases?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
> > > > > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> > > > > Troy, Michigan, USA
> > > > > ....................................................
> > > > >
> > > > > This posting is intended for informational or conversational
> purposes
> > > only.
> > > > > Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before
> acting
> > > on
> > > > > the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has
> examined
> > > you
> > > > > in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will
> > > affect
> > > > > your health.
> > > > > ......................
> > > > > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in
> message
> > > > >
> > >
> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-7FD575.11014813072004@orngca-news04.socal.
> > > > > rr.com...
> > > > > > Hi SP,
> > > > > > Believe me, I miss the point of almost everything *most* of the
> time.
> > > > > > But once in awhile, there are some subtle points that filter into
> my
> > > > > > analytic way of "thinking about the spectrum of TMJ troubles" that
> > > > > > others just might not "think about".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for offering to make an NTI for me if I were ever in your
> area.
> > > > > > That is very generous of you. Also, it was generous of you to
> offer
> > > the
> > > > > > advice as given.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you may not know is that I know Dr. Boyd from *way back*. My
> > > > > > maxillofacial surgeon of many years retired and his partner who
> has
> > > > > > known me (and my case) for most of twenty years is as fine a
> surgeon
> > > as
> > > > > > I could hope to find for myself (in Los Angeles). The nature of
> my
> > > > > > injuries are so very complex that no one can really put a finger
> on
> > > what
> > > > > > is what except to realize that with the complete loss of lateral
> and
> > > > > > protrusive/retrusive mobility, my function is limited by what
> little I
> > > > > > have left of muscle tissue that has not been sclerosed and
> atrophied
> > > as
> > > > > > a result of far too many surgeries and the consequences of being
> > > > > > surgically mutilated over the years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Freeway space in my case just doesn't fit in the way it does for
> > > people
> > > > > > with normal anatomy and physiology of the TM system. One-hundred
> > > > > > percent of my jaw function exists within about 8-10 millimeters of
> > > > > > hinged verticle opening *only*.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, back to the thread:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think what the dentists were often doing before the option of
> the
> > > NTI
> > > > > > (or the A.G.E.LK in Italy and three cases in North America) was
> often
> > > > > > ending up with patients going around and around looking for
> someone
> > > who
> > > > > > knew something more than the one who just "didn't know what else
> to
> > > > > > do"... people ended up in the hands of maxillofacial surgeons who
> > > > > > *believed* that there were surgical procedures that *might* help
> (but
> > > > > > they usually only ended up with the patient back in the O.R. for
> more
> > > > > > surgery).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There was the idea that it was up to the patient to take
> > > responsibility
> > > > > > for their "problems". This just isn't fair. This resulted in
> > > something
> > > > > > that came to be know "CLS" (crazy lady syndrome). Dentists and
> > > doctors
> > > > > > did everything they could to remedy the ailments but the people
> never
> > > > > > got better or they even got worse .... therefore, the idea that
> the
> > > > > > people (mostly women) needed psychiatric care more than dentistry
> or
> > > > > > medical care ... CLS. It was an unfortunate time. Without a
> doubt,
> > > > > > when people suffer long enough from pain that makes life difficult
> on
> > > a
> > > > > > chronic level, the mental health is also challenged. But it
> became
> > > all
> > > > > > to easy to put the blame on the patient.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know a lot about this segment of the TMJ iatroepidemic's story.
> > > Now,
> > > > > > we know that a simple NTI or treatment with A.G.E.LK (both closely
> > > > > > related with some differences in applications), can keep most
> people
> > > out
> > > > > > of the mental health "chair", out of the O.R., and *also* out of
> the
> > > > > > dental "chair" too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's always more to be said by everyone who bothers following
> this
> > > > > > subject. I started a newsgroup back in 1996 called
> > > > > > alt.support.jaw-disorders for various reasons that were more
> important
> > > > > > then than now. The newsgroup should be used more today than ever
> but
> > > > > > technology allowing for web forums made asj-d less attractive.
> > > > > > Unfortunately, web forums are normally moderated by someone who
> makes
> > > > > > the space available. This is why I want to see asj-d stay active
> in
> > > > > > Usenet. It is unmoderated, there is no one gaining anything by
> > > limited
> > > > > > what someone has to say about *anything*.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your input, SP!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TW
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article
> <1ggu735.27ushw1h9wc6iN%stoveTRASHpipe@globetrotter.net>,
> > > > > > stoveTRASHpipe@globetrotter.net (StovePipe) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi SP,
> > > > > > > > I think you may have misunderstood Steve F.'s comment. Or.
> ...
> > > maybe
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > misunderstood. Hey Steve, is there some misunderstanding
> here?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TW
> > > > > > > > (I have some "stuff" to back up my comment ... but prefer not
> to
> > > go
> > > > > > > > there, back in time.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > <1ggu2ip.866zzj13mpariN%stoveTRASHpipe@globetrotter.net>,
> > > > > > > > stoveTRASHpipe@globetrotter.net (StovePipe) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may be right, Sabra, I tend to miss the point of 99 percent
> of
> > > what
> > > > > > > goes on in this here world. A couple of people here say that I
> only
> > > land
> > > > > > > on Planet Earth but twice or thrice a year....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand, YOU might be well served by an NTI adjusted
> down
> > > so
> > > > > > > that it opens the mouth minimally, to be worn while you sleep.
> If
> > > you
> > > > > > > are in chronic pain (as I am sure you are with your tmj injury),
> > > this
> > > > > > > device can break the cycle of muscle tension reactionary to
> chronic
> > > > > > > pain.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you ever visit one of the 'usual suspects', ask them to make
> one
> > > for
> > > > > > > you. You cannot lose much by trying it. Of course, If you ever
> got
> > > to
> > > > > > > Quebec City, I would make one for you here.
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > SP
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sabra Broock <sabrabroock@earthlink.net>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > --
> > > > Sabra Broock <sabrabroock@earthlink.net>
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Sabra Broock <sabrabroock@earthlink.net> 

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