Re: Is this really child abuse?

From: Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS. (purple543210_at_yahoo.ca)
Date: 07/21/04 

Date: 21 Jul 2004 00:03:03 -0700

Peter Meiers <Tren_Dean@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<40FD7E5B.BA9@yahoo.com>...
> Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS. wrote:
>
> > > Could you provide me a reference, please? What parameter did they use in
> > > respect to "stronger"?
> > > Which animals?
> >
> > Heard this in a lecture. I do not keep reference studies in the back
> > of my head.
> > If you are looking for that data talk to the researchers.
>
> Hmmm, you need a reference handy to tell me what their "stronger" meant?
> You apparently never thought about what you heard in your lectures.

When you have a Phd lecturing to you quoting references you do not go
go hunting these things down unless you are a real nerd.

>
> > > > Fact is systemic fluoride is effective in incorporating into teeth at
> > > > an early age when the teeth are forming.
> > >
> > > As well as after eruption by exchange of OH- by fluoride (and vice
> > > versa). Partially, at least.
> > Wrong. This exchange is now limited to outer enamel not miniralization
> > of dentin inside the tooth which is where caries spreads.
>
> Your personal view without any backing.
That is not a personal view take out a text book on cariology and
read.
>
> > Hydroxyapatite is a good ion exchanger.
> > There is more in a tooth than hydroxyapatite.
>
> Thatīs good news.
> What else do you think has a relation to fluoride accumulation?
How about Ca2+, Mg2+, etc...

>
> > It
> > > adsorbs almost anything (including aluminium, lead and cadmium,
> > > carbonate, citrate, for example) Itīs therefore that it is even used for
> > > ion exchange chromatography. But what does that property (in the case of
> > > fluoride) mean for caries initiation/activity? NOTHING. NADA.
> >
> > Well not exactly NADA.
> >
> > F ionic bond is much stonger than OH bond in an acidic environment
> > such as a periodontal pocket with a flora of bacteria or within
> > infected dentinal tubules by strep mutans.
> > That is the basis for ozone treatment for reminerization of dentin.
>
> OH-Apatite or F-Apatite - makes no difference at all in the highly
> acidic environment of a carious lesion (the acid being concentrated in
> one spot under/within plaque).

Oh you think the molarity of H+ in the oral cavity is 1M??? what are
you smoking?

The environment is acidic but not highly acidic.

Ever put a tooth in a cup of Coca Cola and see what happens to the
enamel in a few days???

And if you say it makes no difference how can you say embedded F is
harmful?

>
> > > > Now they are recommending
> > > > systemic fluoride for the elderly (especially women) not for the teeth
> > > > but for the bones to prevent hip fractures.
> > > > Patients after having 1st hip fracture their health statisticaly goes
> > > > downhill.
> > >
> > > The effects of fluoride here are discussed/disputed as well.
> >
> > Discussed????
>
> Discussed!!!! And disputed.
And Proven.

>
> > ... This is now recommended preventative therapy for post
> > menopausal women for osteoporosis.
>
> Where?
Look it up.

>
> > Individual susceptibility is not a major factor here to absorbtion of
> > F into bones and teeth from ingestion.
>
> You heard that in a lecture?

As a matter of fact yes.

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