Re: Toothbrushes

From: Joel M. Eichen (joeleichen_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 09/18/04 

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:37:06 -0400

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:27:34 GMT, stovepipeTR@SHglobetrotter.net
(StovePipe) wrote:

>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > I haven't
>> >seen any studies proving a link either for or against that theory. All
>> >we know is that the same bacteria are found in both places, and that is
>> >one good reason to get those anaerobes out of the mouth, especially in
>> >heart disease patients.
>> >JMO
>> >SP
>>
>> How do the hygienists get the bacteria out? Scoop them out with the
>> little scalers?
>
>Ezzzzatly what they (and also WE) do... Disorganize and remove their
>scaffoldings (plaque and tarter).

Bad news ......

Bacteria are small enough that they cannot be disorganized enough to
get them out of the mouth.

Bacteria are ubiquitous. There has never been a study showing cause
--> effect with periondontal disease and heart disease!

>>
>> Anyone know how big bacteria are?
>
>... billions on the head of a pin... All we can reasonably do is REDUCE
>THEIR NUMBERS.

and .......

How long before they are back?

>The root planing removes toxins and damaged cementum, and
>the sub-g scaling removes tarter and plaque.

That much is good, but it has nothing to do with heart disease. Even
the word "plaque" is different when applied to arteries ....

> In so doing, you reduce the
>numbers of bacteria, hopefully to a level the system can handle.

Hah.

>The
>numbers will come back up again... and again... and again... This is why
>perio treatments are THERAPIES and not CURES. It takes 3 months for a
>bacterial population to regenerate itself to the quantities where bone
>will again start to be lost, and so that's why we have these cases on
>recall. Incedentally, the recall is usually done in one appointment, and
>is not $$$-intensive.

How much for four quadrants?

> Ideally the patient takes care of what plaque
>there is above the gum line and we take care of what plaque is now below
>the gum line. Even if we could sterilize the mouth, you know that three
>months later, it would still be dirty, and that's what a mouth is: an
>opening to the outside as therefore, non-sterilizable.

The vast majority of the American population has no accretions.

>
>What else are you going to do? Hit them with antibiotics????? Sure, but
>what happens to the next generation of bugs? Megga resistance and bigger
>problems...
>
>If you have a better way, pls sing out.
>Cheeahs
>SP

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