Re: A Plan To Deal With Jan Drew

From: Dr Steve (nospam_at_home.net)
Date: 11/17/04 

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:53:51 GMT

I am sure everyone but Joel will be able to ignore her or stop responding to
her. Joel on the other hand will call out to her if she is not around for a
while. 

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<Rich.@.> wrote in message 
news:41b59b23.98688671@news-server.hawaii.rr.com...
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:51 GMT, The Webby
> <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I have stayed out of the threads pertaining to amalgam issues because I
>>do not have any particular interest in the subject.  I am not a
>>scientist and I do not claim to one on the internet or TV.  But I am
>>particularly concerned about the postings that carry messages attacking
>>the character of people in this newsgroup.
>
> Ok. Since this is a completely open and unregulated/unmoderated
> newsgroup, the only way you can get decisive action is to file a
> complaint with AOL. Jan Drew is not going to go away easily. And you
> cannot force her to go away unless you get her ISP to pull the plug
> but even then JD will find another way to post here.
>
> I have given what I strongly believe is a method that is most likely
> to have Jan Drew go away on her own accord. However this method will
> require every (or nearly every) poster here to consistently ignore her
> posts but expose her lies about amalgams. If dozens of different
> posters in this newsgroup ONLY post Jan Drew's lies in response to her
> posts you will increase the chances of her leaving. If you try to
> engage her in *any* type of discussion that will likely lead to her
> wanting to stay.
>>
>>Am I dismayed? No, I am probably not dismayed in the strict sense of the
>>word.
>
> YOu said that you felt like you were being held hostage. If I felt
> that way I would feel dismayed at the very least.
>
>
>> But I do feel as though I am being called upon to post in a
>>method that suggests I have an opinion about amalgam and safety issues
>>when I clearly am not "qualified" to have any "expert" opinion on this
>>subject.
>
> You can choose to post however you would like. YOu don't need to be an
> expert (I certainly am not) to know that Jan Drew clearly lied about
> her amalgam history and yet persists in claiming that she had mercury
> poisoning. That is her agenda. Take away her agenda and she is more
> likely to leave. Repeatedly reposting Jan's very own words that belie
> her claim that she had mercury poisoning is the best strategy IMO.
>
>
>> However, I am clearly qualified to know whether or not I am
>>telling the truth or whether my posts are dangerous to innocent people
>>who believe my lies (according to the postings of Jan Drew).
>
> Yes you are. But you cannot stop Jan Drew from saying you are a liar
> short of getting AOL to pull the plug. But as I said before  Jan will
> probably find an ISP that will allow her to post with relative
> impunity.
>>
>>So as I see it, there is more than one issue facing the newsgroup.
>
> The main issue is Jan's abusive posting and how best to deal with it.
> At least that is the one issue that we are discussing.
>
>
>
>>Exactly what these issues are is something that must be sorted out, I
>>think.  Because as it is, this place is completely out of control (which
>>is not always such a bad thing in usenet) and everything that is
>>happening here that is related to "Jan Drew" is something that Jan Drew
>>is controlling.
>
> Yes, and I believe my strategy has the best chance of getting it back
> in control. But there is no guarantee my plan will work. But my plan
> is simple to implement if enough participants here are willing to do
> so. It does appear as if there are a number of participants who are
> reluctant to adopt my plan. For my plan to work it will require as
> close to 100% participation as possible. A clear consistent and
> persistent approach is critical.
>
> Of course you can all also complain to AOL about Jan Drew. Find the
> AOL terms of agreement, see where Jan is violating them, document the
> violations and send it to AOL.
>
>
>> If we choose to ignore each and every post of hers, we
>>are making the choice as individuals but she is tempting the entire
>>newsgroup to behave as she desires; to behave as individuals rather than
>>a group.
>
> Exactly. That is why my plan has a chance to work. We operate as a
> group with a twofold objective: 1) expose her lies about mercury
> poisoning and impeach her credibility and 2) increase the chances that
> she will leave the group.
>>
>>Is a "group" mentality a healthy thing in a newsgroup?  I dare say, not
>>always, sometimes, or some of both.  But anyway you look at the problem,
>>I think it is more dangerous that someone can get away with discrediting
>>the character of people than it is to suggest that amalgam issues are
>>what "Jan Drew" sees them to be.
>
> OK. The complain to AOL. And I strongly suggest that you all think
> about my suggestion for the group to implement as a *whole*. I believe
> that if the group sticks together it will win in the long term. It is
> when individuals in the group act in a way that undermines the
> objectives of the group (expose Jan's lies, impeach her credibility,
> and increase the chances of her leaving voluntarily) that the plan
> will fall apart.
>
> To summarize:
>
> Do not engage in any discussion *with* Jan Drew (this is the most
> critical part).
> Any  response to Jan must be either *at* her or *about* her and
> designed to expose her lies and impeach her credibility.
> Jan Drew must not be ignored but she must also not be engaged in
> discussion.
> Jan Drew must be isolated and marginalized by the above approach.
>
> I encourage discussion among the group members about my proposal. As I
> said the chances of it working are directly proportional to the
> percent of posters willing to implement it.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
>>
>>Comments?
>>TW
>>
>>In article <41aaa2ec.35146281@news-server.hawaii.rr.com>, Rich.@.
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:58:44 GMT, The Webby
>>> <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I refuse to be taken hostage by Jan Drew.  I refuse to treat "her" with
>>> >kid-gloves.  How long is this supposed to go on -- playing the game 
>>> >"her
>>> >way"???
>>>
>>> I am suggesting a way NOT to play her game. I have no idea why you are
>>> responding to my post this way. It makes no sense.
>>>
>>> If you react to Jan's posts by trying to be rational with her then you
>>> are playing her game. If you expose her lies and hypocrisy you are not
>>> playing her game. Kapiche???
>>> >
>>> >Have any of you seen the movie "Phone Booth" lately?????
>>>
>>> I saw it. But not lately. What does this move have to do with the
>>> price of rice in China??
>>> >
>>> >I'm sorry, but I won't play the game.
>>>
>>> Please explain what game you are not playing.
>>>
>>> Note that I am not discouraging you from filing a complaint with AOL.
>>> But complaining about Jan Drew in this newsgroup is only going to play
>>> into her game.
>>>
>>> The problem is that many people don't realize that they are playing
>>> Jan's game when they interact with her.
>>>
>>> Aloha,
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >TW
>>> >
>>> >In article <41a8a07d.34522968@news-server.hawaii.rr.com>, Rich.@.
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 17 Nov 2004 00:45:56 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >>Subject: Re: Ian Seeking *knowledge* Doesn't Know the Difference 
>>> >> >>between
>>> >> >>hypothesis and FACTS
>>> >> >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net
>>> >> >>Date: 11/16/2004 2:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>> >> >>Message-id: <XUumd.29431$Qv5.17466@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>ATTENTION ! ! !
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Dr Steve ia a liar, he can't prove his accusations
>>> >>
>>> >> Jan Drew realizes that Steve has not lied. She tries to divert
>>> >> attention away from her own lies by starting a new topic thread for
>>> >> the sole purpose of baiting the honorable Dr. Steve who obviously has
>>> >> tried to be very polite and honest in his dealings with Jan Drew.
>>> >>
>>> >> The key is to not give in to her baiting. She wants a reaction to her
>>> >> accusations. If you ignore her she will likely escalate her behavior
>>> >> in a desperate attempt to get you to react. And if you manage to
>>> >> resist her persistent baiting then it will be Jan Drew who goes off
>>> >> the deep end due to her frustration that she cannot get the reaction.
>>> >>
>>> >> Keep exposing her lies. Keep resisting her baiting. That is the
>>> >> ticket.
>>> >>
>>> >> Aloha,
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich
>

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