Re: Amalgam Replacement & NTI TSS...HELP PLEASE!!!

From: Dr Steve (nospam_at_home.net)
Date: 12/08/04


Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:37:05 GMT

Makes you wonder about the thinking process that occurs in some heads.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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"The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-4EE14B.08283908122004@orngca-news04.socal.rr.com...
> Maybe they "don't do email"???  Just kidding... that's a great idea and
> sooner or later you'll get some takers!!  People never want to bother
> their own doctor... so they ask some other doctor hahahaha.... you have
> to laugh about some of these things, don't you?
>
> One time, very late one night when my husband was on call, the phone
> rang ... nothing usual there.  It was one of this patients (well, the
> parent) who said, and I paraphrase, "We didnt' want to bother our vet so
> late at night so we thought we'd call you.  Our rabbit is sick and we
> don't know what to do."
>
> Yes, sometimes you just have to laugh .......  (at least they were
> worried about the rabbit!)
>
> TW
>
> In article <lWCtd.3512$BQ2.1573@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
>
>> I always ask my patients to email me with any questions which might arise
>> after going home.  No one ever does.
>>
>> -- 
>> ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
>> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
>> Troy, Michigan, USA
>> ....................................................
>>
>> This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes 
>> only.
>> Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting 
>> on
>> the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined 
>> you
>> in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
>> your health.
>> ......................
>> "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-A704AC.01263908122004@orngca-news04.socal.
>> rr.com...
>> > Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That's the kind of answer I was expecting from 
>> > the
>> > group. Dr. Steve also responded similarly and thoroughly!
>> >
>> > IMO, this explanation should have been made perfectly clear to the
>> > patient by the dentist.  Maybe the dentist did explain, but it was too
>> > much information for the patient to process; hence, questions that set
>> > in after going home.  This is not at all unusual in dentistry or
>> > medicine.
>> >
>> > I hope Tonya has followed this discussion.  I, for one, would like to
>> > know if the thread has been informative to the one who asked for the
>> > advice.  I also hope that Adenosine has followed along.  I'd be
>> > interested in his comments upon yours and Dr. Steve's replies.
>> >
>> > This thread is like what smd is all about ... putting all the pieces of
>> > a puzzle together so that we get ... what do we get???  Oh yes, we get 
>> > a
>> > better quality of information!!!!  Yeah!!!!!!!  And with that, 
>> > everybody
>> > wins!!
>> >
>> > Webby
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In article <w1ytd.32572$dC3.758504@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>> > "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Webby,
>> >>
>> >> The answer to the second sentence; "He says I need to do this before I
>> >> consider
>> >> getting anymore amalgams replaced." lies in the origins of the NTI. 
>> >> The
>> >> NTI
>> >> evolved from something called an anterior deprogrammer which keeps the
>> >> upper
>> >> and
>> >> lower teeth apart and "deprograms" the neuromuscular patterns.
>> >>
>> >> Keeping the teeth from touching each other for a while with such a 
>> >> device
>> >> lets
>> >> the whole system calm down. Only then can one better determine if the
>> >> problem
>> >> is
>> >> related to the muscles, the joints, how the teeth meet or ....
>> >>
>> >> Until the good Dr. has a diagnosis he cannot treat the condition.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, Okeson spends a good portion of his lecture repeating this 
>> >> concept
>> >> to
>> >> the
>> >> audience.
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Roy
>> >> rem NADA to reply
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in 
>> >> message
>> >> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-93C9C8.15180507122004@orngca-news04.soc
>> >> al.
>> >> rr.com...
>> >> | Hi Roy!  I missed this ... I think....  been a busy day here.
>> >> |
>> >> | Some people may be aware that I was once upon a time bombarded with
>> >> | emails at the TMJ Foundation (online) from people describing in 
>> >> great
>> >> | and interesting detail the confusion they had about how to go 
>> >> forward
>> >> | with "TMJ" care.  Sometimes the stories were told about themselves 
>> >> and
>> >> | others were told about someone else; friend and/or relative.
>> >> |
>> >> | There were hundreds of these emails in my box weekly. To the best of 
>> >> my
>> >> | knowledge,  I answered all of them and always with the most 
>> >> carefully
>> >> | worded replies.
>> >> |
>> >> | What was particularly interesting about many (most) of those 
>> >> confused
>> >> | emails from so many "confused" "people" was this:  They had good
>> >> command
>> >> | of dental terminology, medical terminology, and were very good
>> >> | historians; especially when it came to describing the history of
>> >> someone
>> >> | else.  That told me something.  Furthermore, they seemed to always 
>> >> ask
>> >> | questions that seemed complicated but were really quite simple to
>> >> | address.  And rarely, did I receive a note thanking me for my time 
>> >> or a
>> >> | followup with more questions.  There were a few who wrote more than
>> >> once.
>> >> |
>> >> | This post from "Tonya" reminded me of some of the old emails I used 
>> >> to
>> >> | get.
>> >> |
>> >> | I would say that this post boils down to this:
>> >> |
>> >> | The story tells you that the patient likely has parafunction because 
>> >> of
>> >> | the symptoms described and because of the details shared about the
>> >> | dentist's physical findings.
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> | "Tonya" wrote:
>> >> |
>> >> | "He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my 
>> >> teeth
>> >> | sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me 
>> >> that I
>> >> | have tension and grinding. He says I need to do this before I 
>> >> consider
>> >> | getting anymore amalgams replaced."
>> >> |
>> >> | The second sentence is the heart of the matter.  It tells us that 
>> >> the
>> >> | question is: Why should an NTI be employed as part of the
>> >> | reconstructive-restorative process for this patient?
>> >> |
>> >> | Roy, you got to the first sentence and I agree with you.  But it is 
>> >> in
>> >> | the second sentence of that section where we discover the all 
>> >> important
>> >> | question as it related to the subject: "Amalgam Replacement & NTI
>> >> | TSS...HELP PLEASE!!!
>> >> |
>> >> | What do you think, Roy?
>> >> |
>> >> | On page 393 of "that book", "Only when the questions become more
>> >> | important than the answers will the solutions emerge."
>> >> |
>> >> | Free download if needed:
>> >> | http://4t140241.aspadmin.net/pdf/iatropdf.pdf
>> >> |
>> >> | "The TMJ Iatroepidemic", published 1997
>> >> |
>> >> | TW
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> |
>> >> | In article <oebtd.23358$dC3.506336@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>> >> | "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:
>> >> |
>> >> | > Umm, would it be?
>> >> | >
>> >> | > > He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my
>> >> teeth
>> >> | > > sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me
>> >> that I
>> >> | > > have tension and grinding.
>> >> | >
>> >> | > -- 
>> >> | > Roy
>> >> | > rem NADA to reply
>> >> | >
>> >> | >
>> >> | >
>> >> | > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> | >
>> >> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-03B1ED.21244006122004@orngca-news04.soc
>> >> al.
>> >> | > rr.com...
>> >> | > | Okay, dentists of smd.  I have my opinion, but I'd like your
>> >> opinions.
>> >> | > | Why would the NTI be useful in this case prior to further
>> >> restorative
>> >> | > | work?
>> >> | > |
>> >> | > | TW
>> >> | > |
>> >> | > | In article 
>> >> <1102378270.979461.102500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> | > | "Tonya" <mrsinternetnews2@wiersch.com> wrote:
>> >> | > |
>> >> | > | > Hello,
>> >> | > | >
>> >> | > | > I can see that a lot of dentists use this news group, and I 
>> >> hope
>> >> that
>> >> | > | > someone can give me advice after years of dental struggles.
>> >> | > | > It is my firm belief that amalgams leech mercury into the 
>> >> body,
>> >> and I
>> >> | > | > do not wish to debate this issue. I wear a mouth guard that
>> >> clearly
>> >> | > | > shows the metals from the amalgams rubbing into it. As a 
>> >> result,
>> >> I
>> >> | > | > have
>> >> | > | > decided to have my amalgams replaced and have tried to do this
>> >> | > | > several
>> >> | > | > times now with several different dentists.
>> >> | > | > The first set of amalgams replaced with white composite caused
>> >> and
>> >> | > | > aching pain and cold sensitivity for about a year before the 
>> >> pain
>> >> | > | > subsided. The cold sensitivity remained. I had them replaced
>> >> again by
>> >> | > | > another dentist and the cold sensitivity still gives me 
>> >> problems.
>> >> He
>> >> | > | > also replaced some other amalgams which have a very mild
>> >> discomfort
>> >> | > | > while chewing even though he has adjusted my bite several 
>> >> times.
>> >> At
>> >> | > | > last he manipulated my jaw using one of those colored papers
>> >> between
>> >> | > | > my
>> >> | > | > upper and bottom teeth and he now says that my teeth are 
>> >> rubbing
>> >> | > | > together and not the fillings which were replaced.
>> >> | > | > He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my
>> >> teeth
>> >> | > | > sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to 
>> >> me
>> >> that
>> >> | > | > I
>> >> | > | > have tension and grinding. He says I need to do this before I
>> >> | > | > consider
>> >> | > | > getting anymore amalgams replaced.
>> >> | > | > If anyone has used NTI TSS, your experience with this device
>> >> would be
>> >> | > | > helpful as well. I really want to find out what you all think
>> >> before
>> >> | > | > spending more money.
>> >> | > | > Thanks you for any information you can give.
>> >> | > | >
>> >> | > | > Tonya 


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