Re: A new, CORRECT evolutionary theory

From: Tim Dixon (timgdixon_at_cox.net)
Date: 12/14/04 

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:10:14 -0800

"Adenosine" <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:38:00 -0800, "Tim Dixon" <timgdixon@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
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>>"Adenosine" <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:13:25 -0800, "Tim Dixon" <timgdixon@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>"Adenosine" <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:41:57 -0800, "Tim Dixon" <timgdixon@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't even respond? You're no fun.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me ask you, you say 'you aren't filled with the holy spirit' what
>>>>> is the holy spirit like? Is it like knowing why everything happens, a
>>>>> moment of perfect clarity where everything makes sense?
>>>>
>>>>If I thought you were sincere I would enlighten you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am ALWAYS sincere in my effort to understand other people's points
>>> of view.
>>>
>>> This is the same reason I have read multiple texts of all kinds of
>>> religions. I do not understand this kind of thinking, and that which I
>>> do not understand is always fascinating.
>>
>>You appear to be sincere in baiting people. I'll give you one shot, you
>>go
>>funny on me and I'm finished with the discussion.
>
> OK.
>
>>
>>The Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal force. He is co-equal with
>>the Father and the Son. He is present in the world to make men aware of
>>their need for salvation. He also lives in every Christian from the
>>moment
>>of salvation, causing us to be born again (regenerated). He provides the
>>born again Christian with power for living, understanding of spiritual
>>truth, and guidance in doing what is right in the sight of God, not men.
>>He
>>also gives every believer one or more gifts for minstry, and He seeks to
>>bear fruit in our changed character, making us more like Christ. As a
>>Christian I seek to be filled with the Spirit and live under His control
>>on
>>a daily basis. I have included a short number of Scripture references for
>>you as well.
>
> So how you do you if you are filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you just
> believe in the words of Jesus and try to do God's will, and have faith
> that you will be filled?

I have always been filled with the Holy Spirit from the moment I recieved
salvation. What I mean by seeking to be filled is I try and not do things
to grieve the Spirit and break my fellowship with God the Father. The Word
is Jesus and I feed upon the Word, seeking God's perfect will in my life.
That I might lead others to the same relationship I have with Him.

>>2 Corinthians 3
>>17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there
>>is
>>freedom.
>>
>>John 3:3
>>3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the
>>kingdom
>>of God unless he is born again.
>>
>>John 16:7-13
>>7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on
>>stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at
>>the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not
>>the
>>ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that
>>condemns
>>men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings
>>righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with
>>the surpassing glory. 11And if what was fading away came with glory, how
>>much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 12Therefore, since we have
>>such a hope, we are very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who would put a
>>veil
>>over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance
>>was fading away.
>
> Is this suggesting that when Moses saw God, that he was filled with
> the Holy Spirit? Or does just say that Christians should not try to
> hide their connection with The Lord?

Yes Moses was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Old Testament days the Spirit
of God came upon men to perform tasks, miracles, signs and wonders for many
purposes. It is different now that the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus into
the world for all after the Resurrection during Pentecost.

>
> I have a few questions about the citations below.
>
>>
>>Acts 1:8
>>8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you
>>will
>>be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the
>>ends
>>of the earth."
>>
>>1 Corinthians 2:12
>>have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God,
>>that we may understand what God has freely given us.
>>
>>1 Corinthians 3:16
>>16Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's
>>Spirit
>>lives in you?
>>
>>1 Corinthians 12:1-3
>>1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant.
>>2You
>>know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and
>>led
>>astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by
>>the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is
>>Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
>
> There are obviously many people out there who would say 'Jesus is
> Lord' but do not follow any of the Christian teachings, as you can
> tell by their actions. Is this being used in a more metephorical sense
> such that you can't BELIEVE Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit?

I'm not sure about people who call Him Lord and yet don't follow Him. How
couldn't you? When I say Jesus is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, it is
because the Spirit of Truth lives in me and has revealed to me through
Scripture, prayer, circumstances, other believers, etc., that He is Lord &
Master.

>>
>>Galatians 5:22-25
>>22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
>>goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and selfcontrol. Against such things
>>there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the
>>sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the
>>Spirit,
>>let us keep in step with the Spirit.
>>
>>Ephesians 5:18
>>18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled
>>with the Spirit.
>
> Is this suggesting that being filled with the Holy Spirit is euphoric,
> like wine, or does it mean that when one is filled that they need not
> euphoria from intoxicants?

Thats exactly what it means. However there are times when in prayer,
worship, fellowship with other believers, studying Scripture, quiet times,
even when I sin, that I have a certain feeling of the Holy Spirits presence
in me.

>>
>>Titus 3:5-7
>>5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of
>>his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the
>>Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our
>>Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become
>>heirs
>>having the hope of eternal life.
>>
>
> Thank you for your clarification on these points.

You're welcome.

> --
> Adenosine
> Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?

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