Re: New Web Site Exposes Quackwatch

From: Jan (jdrew63929_at_aol.com)
Date: 02/12/05 

Date: 11 Feb 2005 18:58:05 -0800

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From: "Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> - Find messages by this author
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:09:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: New Web Site Exposes Quackwatch
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I found this site:

http://www.ratbags.com/ranters/ilena011204.htm

How about reading this one??

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From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up
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"Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >Subject: Asbestos Deaths Up
> >From: Ilena Rose i...@san.rr.com
> >Date: 7/22/2004 4:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <hhl0g0llh89bhh786sj42g3i8ppcbn4...@4ax.com>

>
>http://my.webmd.com/content/article/91/100996.htm?lastselectedguid=%7...

> 84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348%7D
> >Asbestos Deaths Up

> >Some Post-World War II Buildings Still Have Asbestos

> >By Jeanie Lerche Davis
> > Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD
> >on Thursday, July 22, 2004

> >More From WebMD

> > Like This Article? Send It to a Friend

> >July 22, 2004 -- Asbestos-related deaths have increased fourfold in
> >the past three decades, according to a new CDC report.

> >There are no early symptoms of asbestosis or other lung diseases,
> >known medically as pneumoconiosis. But in advanced stages, they can
> >cause disability and premature death since there is no effective
> >treatment.

> >The CDC report -- which documents cases from 1968 to 2000 -- shows
an
> >overall decrease in coal miner's and other lung diseases during that

> >time, except for asbestosis.

> >Between 1982 and 2000, death rates from coal workers' lung disease
> >dropped by 36% -- likely due to a decline in the coal mining
industry
> >-- and death rates from silicosis and other pneumoconiosis diseases
> >dropped by 70%.

> >However, death rates from asbestos exposure increased steadily
during
> >that period:

> >Blacks had a 448% increase; whites had a 342% increase.

> >Most deaths were among people over age 45.

> >The coastal states -- where asbestos was frequently used in
> >shipbuilding -- had the greatest increases.

> >Women's lung disease-related death rates were substantially lower
than
> >men's, but asbestos-related deaths were still high.

> >"Because asbestosis [death] peaks 40-45 years after initial exposure

> >to asbestos, this upward trend reflects past exposure to asbestos
> >fibers," states the report.

> >Asbestos was a popular construction material during and after World
> >War II, but use was halted in the late 1980s when the health risks
> >became obvious.

> >Nevertheless, asbestos can be found in some buildings today and is a

> >potential risk, the report states.

> >In addition to pneumoconiosis, asbestos has been linked to
> >mesothelioma, a difficult-to-treat lung cancer. Symptoms don't
usually
> >appear until the cancer is very advanced, and most patients survive
> >only nine to 13 months after diagnosis. But new treatments have
> >recently been approved for mesothelioma and may help prolong
survival
> >in these patients.

> >~~~~~~~~~

> >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

> >Another longtime cover up:

> Hulda Clark has been warning people of mold and abestos for
> years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,while other were busy calling her a quack.

People were correctly calling her a quack for many reasons, none being
asbestos related.

The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the

1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it.
Construction
companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or
demolition.
There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and
mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every

month and can usually find some documentation of their possible
exposure so
they can recevie WC benefits.

Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos
exposure
could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were

routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their
families.
No one knew.

When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in
Canada,
where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I
brought it
to school for a science project. No one knew.

Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and,
eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our
environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar.

==

Then read this one:

http://www.nycosh.org/asbestos_chronology.html

See any lies in Mark's post, Jeff???

Now don't forget to answer.

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