Re: is old filling replacement necessary

From: LadyLollipop (LadyLollipop_at_insightbb.com)
Date: 02/13/05 

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:31:52 GMT

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> Bill wrote:
>> shawnews wrote:
>> > Thank you for the reply.
>> >
>> > No, I've been going to this dentist for some time.
>> > He didn't give me much explanation on why they should be replaced,
> I
>> was
>> > looking for somebody's feedback on
>> > general guidelines on fillings replacement (like old metallic
>> fillings might
>> > contain mercury or fillings must be replaced at certain periods of
>> time,
>> > etc..)
>>
>>
>> A filling needs replacement when it is cracked, broken, or leaking
> due
>> to loss of sealing ability at the margins. It also would need
>> replacement when there is decay under or adjacent to the filling.
>
> Of course that is all a filling could ever do is crack. It could
> never leak excessive amounts of Hg or corrode or chemically interact
> with the immune system in any way, even though all other implants do.
> Amalgam is special. Thats the false science of alloys the
> scientifically clueless dentists on this list are fond of trotting out.
> They think it's like that "magic sand" product which
> came out years ago and never got wet. Believe me, given enough
> time anything can get wet, whether it has the ADA stamp on it
> or not.
>
> They are from the US. Try asking a dentist from Europe (or Austrialia,
> or Japan, or Canada). In fact, if amalgam was so great they'd be using
> it in knee implants but then they would actually
> have to test it in humans.
>
>
>>
>> Otherwise, some metallic fillings can last for many years, or even
>> decades.
>
> Some? See doc, thats why I ask, and no one ever answers what
> the largest Hg leakage from a filling in the US is right now.
> Kinda hard to answer when you haven't done any studies with
> enough statistically power to answer that question, ain't it.
>
> What did Churchill say? lies, dammed lies, and statistics...
>
> By the way, could you point this poster to all the studies
> done by amalgam manufacturers where amalgam has been tested
> in real life biological systems for 10-20 years and all
> exposure from that amalgam has been meticulously measured.
> Nah, didn't think so.
>
> It might help to ask your dentist why several fillings need
>> replacement at the same time. And as advised, if you
>> have any doubts, you can seek a second opinion as well.
>>
>
> You'll probably find a clueless dentist who will give
> you regurgiated ADA baloney. Ask for a scientific reference
> or ask if x-rays are harmful. They'll try to tell you you get
> more in an airplane or at the beach and imply you always get more
> elemental methyl exposure from fish. The first is an egregious
> lie. So is the second. I'd sue any dentist who told you that for fraud.
> Dentists must think the public is really stupid and gulliable, and they
> are right. Indeed, it seems like the inmates are running the asylum
>
>
>
> Bottom line:
>
> It's a complicated subject and replacing some fillings can carry
> risk. Suppose you prematurely lose the tooth and need a root canal?
> Suppose you become sensitive to the composites or
> the tooth cracks and/or becomes infected. Also, some dentists don't
> follow good procedure in terms of miminizing Hg exposure.
>
> In the end you will have to weigh whether eleminating the
> "real" Hg exposure you are getting from amalgam (which you will find
> close to impossible to determine) is worth the risks/cost of replacing
> them. If it was a matter of snapping your fingers and replacing amalgam
> with some other material with no trauma to the teeth (assuming that
> material is proven safe and reliable) then I'd say yeah, do it. But it
> is not so simple.

Best to find a mercury free dentist and ask the correct questions, just
being mercury-free isn't good enough, as we have one here who lies to go
along with his buddies.

Questions to ask:

    Dental Cleanup

    (This section on dentistry was contributed by Frank Jerome, DDS.)

    Dr. Jerome: The philosophy of dental treatment taught in America is
    that teeth are to be saved by whatever means available, using the
    strongest, most long lasting materials. Long-term toxic effects are
    of little concern. The attitude of the majority of dentists is:
    whatever the American Dental Association (ADA) says is OK, they will do.

    A more reasonable philosophy is that there is no tooth worth saving if
    it damages vour immune system. Use this as your guideline.

    The reason dentists do not see toxic results is that they do not look
    or ask. If a patient has three mercury amalgam fillings placed in the
    mouth and a week later has a kidney problem, will she call the
    dentist - or the doctor? Will they ever tell the dentist about the
    kidney problem or tell the doctor about the three fillings?
    A connection will never be made.

    It is common for patients who have had their metal fillings removed to
    have various symptoms go away but, again, they do not tell the dentist.
    The patient has to be asked! Once the patient begins to feel well they
    take it for granted, and don't make the connection, either.
    If everybody's results were instantaneous, there would be no
controversy.

    Find an alternative dentist. They have been leading the movement to
    ban mercury from dental supplies. Not only mercury, but all metal
    needs to be banned. If your dentist will not follow the necessary
    procedures, then you must find one that will. The questions to ask
    when you phone a new dental office are:

    1. Do you place mercury fillings? (The correct answer is NO. If they
        do, they probably don't have enough experience in the use of
non-metal
        composites.)

    2. Do you do root canals? (The correct answer is NO. If they do,
        they do not understand good alternative dentistry.)

    3. Do you remove amalgam tattoos? (The correct answer is YES.
        Tattoos are pieces of mercury left in the gum tissue.)

    4. Do you treat cavitations? (The correct answer is YES. By cleaning
        them.) The complete name of cavitations is alveolar cavitational
        osteopathosis. They are holes (cavities) left in the jawbone by an
        incompletely extracted tooth. A properly cleaned socket which is
left
        after an extraction will heal and fill with bone. Dentists
        routinely do NOT clean the socket of tissue remnants or infected
bone.
        A dry socket (really an infected socket) is a common result. These
        sockets never fully heal. Thirty years after an extraction, a
        cavitation will still be there. It is a form of osteomyelitis,
which
        means bone infection.

    Ninety percent or more of dental offices will not be able to answer
    ANY of the above questions correctly. If you allow the work to be
    done by a dentist who does not understand the importance of the
    above list, you could end up with new problems. Find the right
    dentist first even if you must travel hundreds of miles. There are
    6,000 to 10,000 dentists who should be able to help. Some can do
    part of the work and refer you to a specialist for the rest.
    Five hundred to one thousand of these dentists can do it all.

    Normal treatment cost is about $1,000 for replacement of 6 to 8 metal
    fillings including the examination and X-rays. For people with a
    metal filling in every tooth, or for the extraction of all teeth
    (plus dentures), it may be up to $3,000 (or more in some places).

    Remember, the simpler the treatment, the better. If the dentist says
    that he or she can change your metal fillings to plastic but it would
    be better to crown them, say "NO!"

    Guidelines For A Healthy Mouth

       If you have What to do
       --------------- --------------
       Metal fillings change to plastic fillings
       Inlays and onlays change to plastic fillings
       Crowns (all types) change to plastic crowns
       Bridges change to plastic crowns, partials
       Metal partials change to plastic partials (Flexite(TM))
       Pink dentures change to clear plastic
       Porcelain denture teeth change to plastic denture teeth
       Badly damaged teeth become extractions
       Root canals become extractions
       Braces and implants avoid
       Cavitations need to be surgically cleaned
       Temporary crowns use plastic
       Temporary fillings use Duralon(TM)

           Figure 59. Dental replacements.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    +++The guidelines can be summarized as:
    +++ 1. Remove all metal from the mouth.
    +++ 2. Remove all infected teeth and clean cavitations.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Dr. Clark: Removing all metal means removing all root canals,
    metal fillings and crowns. Take out all bridge work or partials
    made of metal and never put them back in. But you may feel quite
    attached to the gold, so ask the dentist to give you everything she or
    he removes. Look at the underside. You will be glad you switched.

    The top surfaces of tooth fillings are kept glossy by brushing (you
    swallow some of what is removed). Underneath is tarnish and foulness.
    Ask to see your crowns when they are removed.

           Figure 60. Tops and bottoms of some metal crowns.

    The stench of the infection under some teeth may be overwhelming as
    they are pulled. Bad breath in the morning is due to such hidden
    tooth infections, not a deficiency of mouthwash!

    All metal must come out, no matter how glossy it looks on the surface.
    Metal does not belong in your body. It is an unnatural chemical.
    Do this as soon as you have found a dentist able to do it. Find a
    dentist with experience and knowledge about this subject. It is more
    than replacing acknowledged culprits like mercury-amalgam fillings.
    This is metal-free dentistry. Only metal-free plastic should be put
    back in vour mouth.

    Dr. Jerome: If your dentist tells you that mercury and other metals
    will not cause any problems, you will not be able to change his or her
    mind. Seek treatment elsewhere!

    Your dentist should do a complete X-ray examination of your mouth.
    Ask for the panoramic X-ray rather than the usual series of 14 to 16
    small X-rays (called full mouth series). The panoramic X-ray shows
    the whole mouth including the jaws and the sinuses. This lets the
    dentist see impacted teeth, root fragments, bits of mercury buried
    in the bone and deep infections. Cavitations are visible in a
    panoramic X-ray that may not be seen in a full mouth series.

    The cost of removing metals should be viewed in the proper light. It
    took years or decades to get into your present condition. When you do
    a lot of dental repair in a short time, it can seem to be costly.
    Unfortunately, many people are in a tight financial position because
    of the cost of years of ineffective treatment, trying to get well.

    Your dentist may recommend crowning teeth to "protect" or strengthen
    them. Unfortunately, the very concept of crowning teeth is flawed.
    First, the enamel is removed from a tooth to prepare for the crown.
    This is permanent and serious damage! Many teeth, up to 20%, may die
    after being crowned and will need to be extracted. For this reason,
    you should only get REPLACEMENT crowns and NO NEW crowns. Your metal
    crowns can be changed to plastic. (Remember, no metal must be left
    under the crown.)

    If you have many crowns, you should have them all removed as quickly as
    possible. But you should not spend more than two hours in the dentist's
    chair at any one time. That is too much stress for your body.

    Dr. Clark: Don't accept intravenous (IV) treatments during amalgam
    removal. Both IV bags and the supplements used in them are polluted
    with propyl alcohol, benzene, and wood alcohol.

    Dr. Jerome: It is quite all right to have temporary crowns placed on
    all teeth that need them in the first visit. You may then go back and
    complete treatment over the next 6 to 12 months. It is common to find
    a crowned tooth to be very weak and not worth replacing the crown,
    particularly if you are already having a partial made and could
    include this tooth in it.

    Dr. Clark: We are accustomed to thinking that plastic is metal-free.
    This is wrong. The original dental plastic, methyl methacrylate was
    metal-free. But modern plastic contains metal. The metal is ground
    up very finely and added to the plastic in order to make it harder,
    give it sheen, color, etc.

    Dr. Jerome: Dentists are not commonly given information on these
    metals used in plastics. The information that comes with dental
    supplies does not list them either. Most dentists never look at a
    dental materials book after they graduate. The ADA, however, has a
    library full of such information.
       (Call the American Dental Association at (800) 621-8099
        (Illinois (800) 572-8309, Alaska or Hawaii (800) 621-3291).
        Members can ask for the Bureau of Library Services,
        non-members ask for Public Information.)

    Dr. Clark: There are many lanthanide (Rare Earth) metals used in
    dental plastic. Their effects on the body from dentalware
    have NOT been studied. Yet their cancer-promoting ability is known in
    many cases.
       (Thulium and ytterbium have been studied for their tumor-seeking
        ability. See page 321 in the book METAL IONS In BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS,
        Vol. 10, Carcinogenicity and Metal lons. Editor Helmut Sigel
1980.)
    Only metal-free plastic is safe.

    Dr. Jerome: These are the acceptable plastics; they can be procured
    at any dental lab.

    - Plastic for dentures: Methyl Methacrylate. Available in clear and
      pink. Do not use pink.
       (The pink color is from mercury or cadmium which is added to the
plastic.)

    - Plastic for partial dentures: Flexite(TM)._ Available in clear and
pink.
      Do not use pink.

    - Plastic for fillings: Composite Materials. This is the material
      that has been used in front teeth for 30 years. It has been used in
      back teeth for 10 years. There are many brands and there are new ones
      being marketed constantly. The new ones are very much superior to
      those used 10 years ago and they will continue to improve. They do,
      however, contain enough barium or zirconium to make them visible on
      X-rays. There are no alternatives available without these metals.

    Dr. Clark: Composites with barium are not good, but I haven't seen
    enough barium toxicity from fillings at this time to merit advising
    extraction instead. Hopefully, a barium-free variety will become
    available soon to remove this health risk.

    Dr. Jerome: Many people (and dentists too) believe that porcelain is
    a good substitute for plastic. Porcelain is aluminum oxide with other
    metals added to get different colors (shades). The metal DOES come
    out of the porcelain! It has many technical drawbacks as well.
    Porcelain is not recommended. Sometimes the white composite fillings
    are called porcelain fillings but they are not. They also require
    more tooth structure to be removed.

    If you have a large bridge, it cannot be replaced with a plastic
    bridge because it isn't strong enough. A large bridge must be
    replaced with a removable partial (Flexite(TM)).

    The methods used to remove metals and infections are technical and
    complicated. See dental information in Sources.

    Dr. Clark: I'd like to thank Dr. Jerome for his contributions to
    this section, and his pioneering work in metal-free dentistry. I hope
    more dentists acquire his techniques.

    Horrors Of Metal Dentistry

    Why are highly toxic metals put in materials for our mouths? Because
    not everyone agrees on what is toxic at what level. Just decades ago
    lead was commonly found in paint, and until recently in gasoline.
    Lead was not less toxic then, we were just less informed! The
    government sets standards of toxicity, but those "standards" change as
    more research is done (and more people speak out). You can do better
    than the government by dropping your standard for toxic metals to
    zero! Simply remove them.

    The debate still rages over mercury amalgam fillings. No one disputes
    the extreme toxicity of mercury compounds and mercury vapor. The ADA
    feels that mercury amalgam fillings are safe because they do not
    vaporize or form toxic compounds to a significant degree. Opponents
    cite scientific studies that implicate mercury amalgams as disease
    causing. Many dentists advocate mercury amalgam fillings simply
    because they are accepted by the ADA, which they believe protects
    them from malpractice litigation. Why risk your health and life on
    their opinions? Remember everything corrodes and everything seeps, so
    amalgams must too.

    Cadmium is used to make the pink color in dentures! Cadmium is five
    times as toxic as lead, and is strongly linked to high blood pressure.

    Occasionally, thallium and germanium are found together in mercury
    amalgam tooth fillings. Thallium causes leg pain, leg weakness, and
    paraplegia. If you are in a wheelchair without a very reliable
    diagnosis, have all the metal removed from vour mouth. Ask the
    dentist to give you the grindings. Try to have them analyzed for
    thallium using the most sensitive methods available, possibly at a
    research institute or university.

    I was astonished to find thallium in mercury amalgams! It couldn't be
    put there intentionally, look how toxic it is:

       TEJ500 HR: 3
       THALLIUM COMPOUNDS

       Thallium and its compounds are on the Community Right To Know List.

       THR: Extremely toxic. The lethal dose for a man by ingestion is
       0.5-1.0 gram. Effects are cumulative and with continuous exposure
       toxicity occurs at much lower levels. Major effects are on the
       nervous system, skin and cardiovascular tract. The peripheral
       nervous system can be severely affected with dying-back of the
longest
       sensory and motor fibers. Reproductive organs and the fetus are
       highly susceptible. Acute poisoning has followed the ingestion of
       toxic quantities of a thallium-bearing depilatory and accidental or
       suicidal ingestion of rat poison. Acute poisoning results in
       swelling of the feet and legs, arthralgia, vomiting, insomnia,
       hyperesthesia and paresthesia [numbness] of the hands and feet,
mental
       confusion, polyneuritis with severe pains in the legs and loins,
       partial paralysis of the legs with reaction of degeneration,
       angina-like pains, nephritis, wasting and weakness, and
       lymphocytosis and eosinophilia. About the 18th day, complete loss of
       the hair on the body and head may occur. Fatal poisoning has been
       known to occur. Recovery requires months and may be incomplete.
       Industrial poisoning is reported to have caused discoloration of the
       hair (which later falls out), joint pain, loss of appetite, fatigue,
       severe pain in the calves of the legs, albuminuria, eosinophilia,
       lymphocytosis and optic neuritis followed by atrophy.
       Cases of industrial poisoning are rare, however. Thallium
       is an experimental teratogen [used to induce birth defects for
       study]. When heated to decomposition they [sic] emit highly toxic
       fumes of Tl [thallium]. See also THALLIUM and specific compounds.
       (Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials, 7th ed. by N. Irving
        Sax and Richard J. Lewis Sr., Van NOSTRAND, Reinhold N.Y. 1989.)

           Figure 61. Thallium excerpt.

    Thallium pollution frightens me more than lead, cadmium and mercury
    combined, because it is completely unsuspected. Its last major use,
    rat poison, was banned in the 1970s. Every wheelchair patient
    I tested was positive for thallium! One current use for thallium is
    in Arctic/Antarctic thermostats. When added to mercury the mercury
    will stay liquid at lower temperatures. Are mercury suppliers then
    providing the dental industry with tainted amalgarn?

    The cancer causing or carcinogenic action of metals has been studied
    for a long time, although it doesn't get attention by our regulatory
    agencies. A scientific book on this subject was published in 1980.
       (The title is Carcinogenicity and Metal lons. It is volume 10 of a
        series called Metal lons in Biological Systems, edited by Helmut
        Sigel. A university chemistry library should have this book. It
has
        a fascinating chapter on the leukemias by two scientists from the
        Academy of Sciences of the USSR, E. L. Andronikashvili and L.
        Mosulishvili. Their brilliant work and discussion was largely
        responsible for my pursuit of the whole subiect of cancer.)
    One table from this book is shown on page 431. We can see that
    chromium and nickel compounds are the most carcinogenic metals.
    Nickel is used in gold crowns, braces, and children's crowns!

    Note that the form of the metal is very important. For instance
    chromium is an essential element of glucose tolerance factor,
    but most of its other compounds are extremely toxic. In general,
    xenobiotic compounds (foreign) are to be avoided! Metal doesn't
    belong in our foods or in our bodies.

    Dental Rewards

    After your mouth is metal and infection-free, notice whether your
    sinus condition, ear-ringing, enlarged neck glands, headache, enlarged
    spleen, bloated condition, knee pain, foot pain, hip pain, dizziness,
    aching bones and joints improve. Keep a small notebook to write down
    these improvements. It will show you which symptoms came originally
    from your teeth. Symptoms often come back! So go back to your
    dentist, to search for a hidden infection under one or more of your
    teeth, or where your teeth once were! That infection can be the
    cause of tinnitus, TMJ, arthritis, neck pain, loss of balance, and
    heart attacks!

           Figure 62. More dental metal.

    Dentures can be beautiful. Of course, plastic isn't natural, but it
    is the best compromise that can be made to restore your mouth.
    At least it isn't positively charged like metals; it can't set up an
    electric current nor a magnetic field in your mouth, all of which may
    be harmful.

           Figure 63. Beautiful plastic mouth.

    Do not be swayed by arguments that plastic is not as strong as
    metal. You see dentures everywhere and they seem strong enough to eat
    with. You will be told that "noble" metals like gold and platinum
    and silver are OK, that they are "inert" and do not corrode or seep.
    Nothing could be more untrue. You may be keeping them glossy by the
    constant polishing action of your toothpaste. But if you look at the
    underside, the view is frightful. Everything tarnishes and everything
    seeps. You wouldn't expect even a gold or silver coin that was
    dropped in a fountain 50 years ago to be intact. As metal corrodes
    your body absorbs it!

    In breast cancer, especially, you find that metals from dentalware
    have dissolved and accumulated in the breast. They will leave the
    breast if you clear them out of your mouth (and diet, body, home).
    The cysts shrink and are simply gone. No need to do surgery!

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    Click on mercury free & biological dentists

    LL

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