Re: The Dr. K Book

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>I stopped trying to offer information because the result was
> always a closed mind and denial even in the face of their former
> patients getting better..
>

Sorry dude but you are the one with the closed mind. And, we know all about
your call to SB and the real reason why you called him. SB is a gentleman
who would never insult a fly. You should take some lessons.

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Amatus

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<drkcz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Tony Bad wrote:
>> <dracz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1131930477.933346.215180@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > Tony Bad wrote:
>> >
>> > To T (whatever your real name actually is we will never know since you
>> > are not brave enough to post it):
>> >
>>
>> I have read here that you called a few offices yelling at people and
>> acting
>> like an ass...I don't need that from you or anyone else. I didn't call
>> your
>> office to discuss this...you brought it here, so lets continue it here.
>> And
>> why should it matter who I am anyway? That approach always comes up when
>> someone is feeling a bit uncomfortable. You have put yourself into the
>> public eye, with your web sites and publications. I have no such desire
>> for
>> notoriety. If you don't want to deal with anonymous people, stay off the
>> internet.
>
> I have called ONE dentist, Steve from Brooklyn,(his phone number was
> listed here) but I certainly did not yell at him and I would like to
> know how I "acted like an ass." In fact I thought that we had a
> pleasant conversation.
> Maybe the dentist that you say I contacted can shed some light here
> because that is not what happenned.I would be interested to find out
> who you are referring to and what they said my actions were.
> The reason that I called him is that these forums are so impersonal and
> sometimes the written word is not as clear in intent as the spoken
> word.
>
> I came on this forum and posted because somebody was looking for my
> contact data. That is how it started.
>
> I have been dealing with dentists that do not understand this issue for
> years. I stopped trying to offer information because the result was
> always a closed mind and denial even in the face of their former
> patients getting better.. This is where my perception of dentists was
> formed.
>
> After the post that says I called dentists on this forum and yelled and
> acted like ass, it is clear that this will go nowhere but down.
>
> Good luck to you all.
> Godspeed.
> RK
>
>
>
>
>
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>> > I have used more than one lab. And I have had similar reports given on
>> > my biopsy. I have also used about 3 different labs for culture and
>> > sensitivity. All report similar findings.
>> > Have you ever done a biopsy or culture?
>> > I bet the answer is no. If no, then why not? How are you forming an
>> > opinion on this subject without reading all of the data?
>>
>> Okay, I'll take your word on that, but every example in your book went
>> through a single lab...the same lab that seems to be associated with
>> virtually every one of these types of cases Given your proximity to other
>> fine pathology labs, just seemed odd that your work would go through one
>> many miles away.
>>
>> ...and again with the "I have done it, bet you haven't" crap...are you
>> really that insecure that you need to believe anyone who disagrees with
>> you
>> is stupid? Grow up...you are acting like a 6 year old!
>>
>> >
>> > I would think that you would want to know about this subject since it
>> > impacts the health of the patients you are treating. I am not saying
>> > that everyone with a root canal will become ill, but some people will.
>> > Therefore if this possibility is not presented to the patient then it
>> > is lack of informed consent. A root canal tooth is is a dead infected
>> > body part in the bone of the maxilla or mandible. A person may become
>> > ill right away or some time removed from the root canal procedure
>> > depending upon factors such as the health of the patients immune
>> > system, other physical ailments, the pathogenicity of the bacteria
>> > present, as well as a host of other factors.
>> >
>> > The answer to the root canal issue causing or contributing to atypical
>> > facial pain or a variety of systemic diseases has been published
>> > extensively for almost 100 years in both the medical and dental
>> > literature. As I have suggested numerous times, look it up. It is all
>> > there. The fact is that root canal teeth remain infected whether the
>> > root canal procedure is performed by an endodontist with the highest
>> > level of clinical skill, or a dentist with average skill. The tooth is
>> > porous like a sponge due to the composition of dentin which is composed
>> > of dentin tubules. Bacteria live in these tubules, accessory canals,
>> > the main canals (which about 90% of the time still have necrotic
>> > material left in the apical 3 mm.after root canal completion). Also,
>> > the infection can travel to the surrounding bone causing chronic
>> > osteomyelitis and sometimes osteonecrosis.
>> >
>> > Some people will become ill and some will not. Many times the causation
>> > of systemic disease being linked to a root canal is missed because
>> > dentists continue to propogate the wrong assumption that root canal
>> > teeth cannot be the cause of a systemic disease or atypical facial
>> > pain. Many times the patiets with atypical facial pain are referred by
>> > a dentist, to an internest, then to a neurologist and put on
>> > medications such as neurontin. I have seen MANY of these patients and
>> > most of the time I can complete their history for them at the exam
>> > appointment because so many people have the same similar story.
>> >
>> > I do not see why you cannot see this with the abundance of information
>> > available. If you cannot find it then there is no point in continuing a
>> > discussion because you lack the knowledge of the subject. Again, I
>> > would think that you would want to know more about this instead of
>> > blindly calling my statements false.
>> >
>> > Amatus and T have never answered the questions asked regarding mercury,
>> > anesthetic, infection etc. Simple questions about dentistry/medicine
>> > that you should know without having to look up the answers. That was
>> > the point of my original post and you prove me correct.
>> >
>> > T, you called some of your collegues a**h*l*s on the thread about the
>> > problem a person had with two dentists in a row. I guess you do not
>> > think too highly of some of your peers or you would not have said that.
>>
>> You are right, I don't give my colleagues automatic respect simply
>> because
>> we share the same educational degree. And I also agree with you that a
>> good
>> number of our dental colleagues are unconcerned and uneducated about many
>> important topics. While we agree on these points, I don't think all that
>> much of anyone who would just assume anyone who has a dissenting view
>> from
>> his is stupid, greedy, or unconcerned. Since you seem unable to have any
>> exchange without condemning others as stupid, greedy, or unconcerned, and
>> devoted a significant portion of your book to this subject, I must add
>> you
>> to the list of colleagues I hold in low regard. Your continued reliance
>> on
>> hyperbole and insults suggests that you are lacking in confidence about
>> your
>> views, as you are always on the attack...assuming no one has tread the
>> same
>> ground as you.
>>
>> I have asked you some very simple questions, and you are unwilling to
>> answer, so I will ask again. You indicate root canal therapy as a danger,
>> yet
>> I have looked through your web site, your published work, your book, and
>> find no case studies that offer conclusive support for your position.
>> Many
>> of the examples in your book appear little different from the kind of
>> testimonials I see on late night TV infomercials. A lot of hype but no
>> substance. I find little or no reason to bother with someone who takes a
>> strong stance on a subject, and then uses case studies that don't support
>> that stance. Your dramatic photo essay about a man's fall into poor
>> health
>> following root canal therapy was undoubtedly very dramatic and
>> influential
>> for the casual viewer, but it was a botched procedure. It was done wrong.
>> In
>> my opinion, using that as your foremost example on the evils of
>> endodontic
>> care is deceptive and misleading.
>>
>> If you don't have an answer to my question, just ignore it and we'll both
>> move on. I really don't want you to waste your time telling me how stupid
>> I
>> am yet again. I get your point. Otherwise, tell me where I can find case
>> studies that support your theories. I'd love to see them.
>>
>> T
>


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