Re: Prostate Cancer Treatment Poses Bone Risk -Study

From: madiba (down_at_thekraal.com)
Date: 01/15/05 

Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:25:55 +0100

Vernon <openbox@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Steph
>
> Surgery will remove the localized cancerous tissue, but does nothing for
> metastases. The guys have been very successful in showing that even the
> normal prostate shed cells into the bloodstream, at a rate, and in enough
> quantity, that these cells are being looked at in a bid to establish a new
> method for diagnosing PCa.
All tumors shed cells into the bloodstream, what does this have to do
with treating them? It certainly does not mean that all tumors are
immediately metastatic.

> So surgery provides no more than a temporary
> relief of concern (palliative?), often with devastating "side effects".
> The same can be said for "shotgun" style radiation therapy (kill the entire
> prostate organ and surrounding tissues to eliminate a smaller body of
> cells), and even for cryotherapy and the other invasive surgical techniques.
Where are you getting these "facts"? Plenty of men with prostate ca. are
cured by surgery and or radiation.

> Hormone therapy, of course, as we all know by now, just buys some people
> some time, again, often at a high cost, but even with a worse prognosis,
> since HT "hardens" the refactory cancer cells towards further treatment.
Towards further hormone therapy maybe but not towards other treatment.

> Chemo, on the other hand, really offers the possibility of that "magic
> bullet". Traditionally, chemo is used for people at death's door.
Melodramatic BS. Chemo is first line therapy for a number of cancers
such as leukemia, some lymphomas, pediatric cancers, SCLC, etc.

> It is then not surprising that the mortality rate among that group is
> high. But how about chemo being used as the first method of treatment
> upon the early diagnosis of cancer, along with one of the more drastic
> methods for "neutralizing" the focus of the cancer? That seems to work
> quite well.
Says who (for prostate cancer)?

> What we need is for the medical professionals to move forward with new
> approaches and new ideas. If they keep pushing the view that we should
> stick to the old ways, they might continue to be financially successful, but
> things will never get better for cancer survivors. We need to have the
> cancer survivors, and care-givers, asking for new treatments and not being
> refused, or stalled, because of ignorance, or ulterior motives.
The cure rate for prostate cancer is high, about 80%. This is a medical
success, not necessarily a financial one.

> In the end, someone has to make some money, and we can select our scenario
> carefully enough to justify any viewpoint we wish, but sometimes we prolong
> the agony of many by sticking to the primitiveness of the past
More melodramatic BS

> The continuing development of chemotherapy will take the financial wind out
> of the sails of lots of highly paid surgical and radiological professionals,
> but will do more good than the old ways.
You are either naive, dumb, paranoid or a shill for the chemo companies.
Chemo is BIG bucks.

> On the other hand, given the influence of the high priests of American
> Capitalism, it might also cost Americans a lot, especially the older ones,
> and we end up replacing one rip by another.
Are you admitting that chemo costs an arm and a leg?
 
> Just as in the case of the unpuncturable car tyre, you won't see many
> "manufacturers" selling them, or the idea, to the public (the cash cows),
> but they will to groups like the deep-pocketed military.
Yes you are. Good morning! 

-- 
madiba

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