Re: Abandoned by the NHS !

From: alan (alan_at_holden.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: 02/08/05 

Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:40:01 GMT

J

My understanding here is that Bob went for Cryotherapy based on
recommendations made by his 'NHS' GP. The treatment is available on the NHS,
just not in Bob's area & is therefore not 'out of system'. I would think
that if representatives of the Bolton health care team are recommending
options that Bob should consider then they should support his treatment. The
point that I think Bob makes is the fact that a treatment available on the
NHS is not being made available to him because of internal beaurocracy
within the organisation. Bob is having to deal with red tape here which 'in
an ideal world' would not be there, nor should it be there.

Alan.

"J" <leah@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:41F5F81A.6041E7EE@execulink.com...
> Bob,
> Being from Ontario, you know (or should know) very well, that you don't go
getting "out
> of the system" treatments without first checking if they'll be covered by
the system. If
> they approve yours, they'd have to approve everyone else's and according
to Dr. Walsh's
> book "None of these procedures has been tested widely, or evaluated with
long-term PSA
> follow-up.". You were told that last May on the prostate cancer
newsgroup.
>
> As far as I know, in Ontario and most of Canada, one has to apply first to
the health
> insurance (OHIP) and prove that the "out of system" treatment is better
than what is
> currently available and/or the currently available treatment wouldn't be
possible in a
> particular situation. (in order to get reimbursed)
>
> The long-term effectiveness of cryotherapy is unknown.
>
http://www.prostate-cancer.org.uk/learn/prostateCancer/treatment/cryotherapy.asp
> Very little long-term data on effectiveness.<end quote>
>
> So you had the choices of surgery, RRP, RT, brachytherapy. (the others
seem to soldier
> on through any difficulties, why would Bob think he couldn't?)
>
> The treatment(s) you mention are considered experimental (see Current
Research)
> http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Prostate
>
> I don't see how the NHS abandoned you at all.
> J
> PS There's at least one failed cryotherapy on the prostate cancer
newsgroup.
>
>
>

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