Re: CAT scan followup jeff


"J W" <jonboy42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Please don't top-post. It makes it harder to follow a thread.

She hasn't been going to him for years Jeff, the HMO doctors don't stay
long. As soon as they make enough money to go out on their own or form a
partnership they leave the HMO system. This was a new doctor just
assigned to her. Ther are only two medicare HMOs available here one is
florida health care (only good in two counties) and humana health care
which is horrid. There are no other options for disabled folks under 65
here in this part of FL. The good ones like blue cross and aarp won't
touch you if you are under 65 and private insurers won't cover you if
you are disabled and if you find one that will you pay out the nose and
get hit with pre existing condition clauses. HMOs and medicare
supliments are the only ones that can't penalize you with pre existing
junk. I was disabled before getting cancer so private insurers won't
touch me. So no it's not always an issue of getting what you pay for.
Sometimes sir it is an issue of taking what you can get.

No question that the HMO/insurance system is a mess. And it is a mess for
everyone, including the docs and hospitals.

I can find Hahnemann univ. in the white pages I can't find ali ben habib
Univ. in mushamalabinama.

Hahnmeann merged with the Medical College of PA, became Medical College of
PA Hahnemann University, then Allegheny University of the Health Sciences,
then went bankrupt with the Allegheny General Hosptial, which owned them,
then became Drexel Univeristy College of Medicine (yes, it complicated). But
I doubt Hahnemann University is in the white pages.

They do their internships and fellowships here
not in their own countries but it's usually someplace like East drip
lip mississippi. May aren't board certified or AMA members.

A lot of American-born doctors do their residencies in small hospitals.
There are many excellent small hosptials ht

Not all docs are AMA members. A lot of docs disagree with the AMA polictics.
Not all American born docs are board certified. In addition, you can't
become board-certified until after you finish residency, so there are a few
months where you won't be board-certified after residency.

They are so
sewed up here if a doctor gets complaints or suits filed against them
they are allowed to withold it from public records. I'm sorry but if you
cut off someones arm instead of their leg I think your potential
customers deserve to know about it.

The number of lawsuits doctors face often has more to do with bedside manner
than competence.

That doesn't mean that when there are lawsuits, the data shouldn't be
related to the public.

And now good ole G W Bush passed
laws limiting how much you can sue the pricks for. Sorry lady but your
husband's life was only worth a couple hunfred grand and your doctor
doesn't have to let the public know that his negligence killed a man.
The rich look after their own.

The reason was that malpractice rates are so high.

I don't think this was a case of the rich watching out for the other rich
people. Doctors usually don't get rich practicing medicine. The median
salary is pretty high (I forget about, around $150-200k). But that is
nothing like the CEOs of big companies.

Some poor schmuck gets wrongly convicted
of a sex crime with he said she said evidence by false acusations from
some neighbrhood tramp that he rubbed the wrong way somehow or some
teeny bopper who's teacher refused to change her grade
and gets plastered all over the internet, cops go around the
neigborhood anouncing when he moves in and he has to measure how far he
is from anyplace where kids might be because if it's too close he can't
live there.

The person was convicted of a sex crime. By a jury.

Gets labeled a perv and ostricized his whole life, has
towork menial jobs instead of what he's qualified for beecause of the
stigma and that's OK but let some doctor who's too hung over to read an
xray, screw up an operatio and kill a guy.

No one is perfect. Accidents happen. The surgeon does kill people on purpose
for rape people.

well he only has to pay the
widow a couple hundred grand, he's allowed to hide it in his records and
he's allowed to keep practicing.Even if he get's barred from his home
state they are allowed to move to a new state and set up shop like
nothing ever happened. now tell me that's a fair shake. Excuse my
bitterness but as much as I know my life depends on doctors and I know
they are not all bad, I've seen my share of prize winners down here and
don't have much use for them.\

Again, intent is very important. Mistakes do happen.

It sound like what you need to do is write your state legislators and
federal legislators and let them know your opinion.


If you are going to live in our country,
earn a million plus a year practicing medicine and live the american
dream, take some lessons and learn to speak the friggin language clearly
and write clearly so people who's lives depend on you can understant
what you say and write.

Docs working for HMOs rarely make $1M+ per year. As you said, they leave as
soon as they can for more money. So it is the low reimbursement rate.

And doctors have 7+ years of education after college. They do deserve a
decent salary. I think in the $100-200k range is certainly far, when you
consider how much they pay for medical school, the long hours they work.
Compare what they do to what athletes do and make.

I'd show you the same respect if I lived in your
country. Stop hiding behind laws and take responsibility for your
actions. They won't even see you down here unless you sign waivers
freeing them of any liability and list every source of money you and
your relatives may have so they are sure to get paid.

Oh gee, they are providing a service and expect to be paid. How horrible. I
really doubt they that ask for relatives' sources of money. And the wavers
freeing them of liability mean nothing, not that I would sign them.

I diddn't mean to
ruffle any feathers here on the foreigner issue as I know there are some
Canadians in here but to be honest with you it didn't cross my mind I
don't really consider Canadians foreigners. I guess because there are so
many here in FL. you just don't see them as foreigners

Question: If they get paid so much money, how come there aren't more
Americans who want the job? Did you notice how there is also a nursing
shortage and a shortage of teachers, especially math, science and special ed
teachers in some places?

Perhaps your community is not paying enough for doctors. If they were paying
so much, the docs would stay longer.

It seems what you need to do is get a job at an employer that offers
insurance. Then, they would be required to take you.

I really can't blame doctors who want to make more money and leave.
Obviously, the HMOs are not paying enough. Not the docs' fault. What would
you do if you were one of the docs? I can't blame them for letting the law
protect them. What would you do?

Jeff

Group: sci.med.diseases.cancer Date: Sat, Oct 7, 2006, 10:17pm (EDT+4)
From: jeff@xxxxxxxxxxx (Jeff) wrote:

When I say foreigners I mean foreign in the sense that the accent is so
heavy you can only understand a few of the words they speak,their
writing is even harder to fathom

YOu should see my hand-writing. It is so bad, my teachers let me print
rather than write cursive in school. And it has been downhill since
then.

so even when they tell you what is
going on you still have no clue and most when you look at their resumes
graduated from ali ben habib university or some such in some country you
never heard of,

I bet you never heard of Hahnemann University, where I graduated from,
either. Hahnemann was right in the heart of Philadelphia.

did residency and fellowship in some dirtwater USA town that you can't
find on a map foreign.

Well, unless it is a dirtwater USA town near Canada or Mexico, it won;'t
be on a foreign map.

They are probably (I'm guessing)
te only ones willing to work for the wages that these local yocal HMOs
are willing to pay them.

And who is the one who belongs to the local yocal HMO? If you want
quality care, you have to pay for (this is not to suggest that the care
you get from these people is second-rate).

One that my wife went to see recently had this to say on his official
dictated report about her " Patient denies any joint pains, dificulty in
walking and demonstartes no difficulty in range of motion." My wife
entered his office using a walker and can barley stand due to advanced
arthritis. This is documented for over 6 years in her medical records.
"patient denies any ( I forget the word he used for water retention)
Mind you my wife's ankles are almost always swollen to twice the size of
normal ankles and she has been on water pills for years. "Patient shows
no eidence of any skin lesions or rashes." My wife's legs, hands, feet
and back of neck are covered with extremely painful psoriasis to the
point of cracks and open sores. They've been treating her for years for
this and nothing has worked so far. He goes on to say "patient denies
any pulminary issues, no shortness of breath or difficuly in brething
noted." My wife has COPD and suffers from apnea which she has to use a
Cpap machine for and has been seeing specialists for these things for
years. All of this was obvious to see and well noted in her records
which apparently he never read. This is the kind of foreign doctors they
use here. I have no problem with foreign doctors if you can understand
them and they are competent.

Why have you been going to him for years?
Jeff






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