Re: PA needs help passing Lyme legislation

From: A_Weisman (a_weisman_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 11/17/04 

Date: 17 Nov 2004 06:02:18 -0800

a_weisman@yahoo.com (A_Weisman) wrote in message news:<e55e6d97.0411140701.1daa8df3@posting.google.com>...
> pmerv@direcway.com (Phyllis Mervine) wrote in message news:<e1aa732b.0411132153.2d060a96@posting.google.com>...
> > Pa House Bill 1977 could become law or it could die for the year.

Phyllis, I am going to go through and highlight the questions I asked
since you apparently missed them. You said you didn't bother to read
my post once you perceived what you felt to be a "hostile" tone.

But my very first question is right at the beginning.

> How so? What does it mean for a bill to be "assigned." To whom? What
> legislative deadline is pending according to the "activists" in this
> case?

See the above is a question. There are even question marks that might
give you a hint that there are questions.

My first question, and I asked it repeatedly, was "WHAT DOES IT MEAN
FOR A BILL TO BE "ASSIGNED."

My second question is "WHat legislative deadline is pending according
to the 'activists' in this case?" I might add that I meant what
legislative deadline is pending MONDAY.

See this was presented as (yet another) "drop dead" date.

One was recently presented regarding the NYS OPMC law (which has
nothing to do with Lyme and has been presented in a very misleading
fashion by E L and other "activists") which wasn't a real deadline.
Once it passed "miraculously" action was still requested.

In fact, in that case, the bill had NEVER been sent to the Governor
for signature, so there was no veto pending or anything of the sort.
Totally misleading, either deliberately or otherwise.

> Are these the same activists who FALSELY claimed that a deadline was
> pending for the NY OPMC bill (which they have FALSELY claimed has
> something to do with Lyme disease when it does NOT) but after the
> (latest) drop dead deadline passed, then miraculously say there is
> still time?

That's another question there Phyllis. Are these the same activists
who lied to us before?

It wasn't meant as editorial commentary, at least not the question
part.

> Does anyone know what they're talking about Phyllis? If they do, are
> they DELIBERATELY lying? Or are they ignorant and incompetent?

This was another question (the first part). DOes anyone know what
they're talking about? The second part was more of a rhetorical
comment, but you can answer if you want. I think we actually deserve
an answer. We deserve the truth.

> Doesn't sound like good choices to me.
>
> So what does it mean for a bill to be "assigned." Why does it "NEED"
> to be "assigned" MOnday?

Here I am asking the same questions as in my first paragraph
again--just in case you missed them earlier. Pretty clearly questions
and not editorial commentary.

> If it isn't "assigned" what happens?

Another question Phyliss. What happens it if isn't assigned (Monday).

> Huh?

Another question meant to emphasize the one immediately above.

> Or should we just all execute every "action alert" issued
> notwithstanding the fact that most or none of them have proven to be
> accurate or have any significance in the past?
>

You might fairly take this as editorial commentary. Though I am
sincere in wondering if we are simply to execute on command without
having the right to ask question.

After all NO ONE ELECTED ANY OF YOU TO REPRESENT US!!!!!!!!!!!
EVER!!!!!!!

> At what point does E L and PS get penalized for crying WOLF?

This is again a sincere question. They've lied to us many times. Are
they ever to be disbelieved? OR deign to submit to our questions at
least with respect to current and future actions based on their
abysmal track record???

Or you can consider it editorial commentary.

Whatever.

> >Your
> > efforts will determine the outcome.
>
> LOL Sure thing. So we ALL get a direct vote? Is that what you mean???
> If ALL of us comply with the action alert, does that mean the bill
> will be passed? How EXACTLY do you mean that our efforts will
> determine the outcome? In other words, you mean that the fate of the
> bill is in OUR hands, not that of the PA Senate and Governor?

These are sincere questions. When you say "your efforts will determine
the outcome" I'm asking you to explain that statement.

Because as I understand it, we don't have a vote in the legislature.
So perhaps this is hyperbole. Or perhaps a rallying cry. But I'm
asking you to explain what YOU mean by it.

Because techically it certainly is not accurate. And practically it
isn't how politics works either.

> >There is intense lobbying against
> > this bill from the insurance industry and other special interests.
>
> What other special interests? Why?

Boy Phyliss here are some more questions. Questions, NOT editorial
comment.

Can you deign to answer them?

> > See full text of the bill at:
> > http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2003/0/HB1977P3595.HTM
> >
> >
> > Step 1 is to be sure it is assigned in the Pa senate by faxing or
> > calling:
>
> What does it mean to be "assigned." ? ? ?

This is now the third time I'm asking the same question. Deliberately.
In case you might think I was editorializing and not actually
sincerely seeking information. And to emphasize the question.

But apparently you missed the question each time?

> > Robert Jubelirer President Pro Tem of the PA Senate: 717 787 5490
> > (P) 717 787 9091 (F)
> >
> > Harold Mowery Public Health & Welfare Committee Chair 717 787 8524
> > (P)
> >
> > 717 772 0576 (F)
> >
> > Public Health & Welfare Committee Vice Chair Senator Jane Clare Ori
> >
> > 717 787 6538 (P)
> >
> > Tell them you want House bill 1977 assigned to the Senate immediately
> > for a vote in the Public Health & Welfare Committee
>
> LOL Do you or whoever issued this "action alert" have any idea of the
> basic fundamental steps involved in the legislative process or who
> actually needs to be contacted at this point, how a bill becomes a
> law?
>
> LOL ROTFL LMAO
>
> Again and again and again. Same old thing.
>
> > Step 2 is to be sure it passes with a sufficient majority to encourage
> > the governor to immediately sign the bill by sending emails, faxes,
> > letters and mail to the 50 senators. If you are a Pennsylvania
> > resident, you can locate your senator at:
>
> So whether or not the Governor signs it in your opinion depends on the
> margin of the legislative majority?

Here's yet another question based on your statement Phyllis.

YOu say the Governor will be encouraged to sign it by it passing by a
larger plurality in the Legislature?

Why do you think that?

Did you know the Legislature is Republican controlled and the Governor
is a Democrat? Who might well be discouraged by large legislative
majorities? In fact his mandate might just be to resist such
majorities?

But putting aside the actual politics of PA, I'm asking more basically
where you get the idea that you propose, that a Governor is
'encouraged' to sign a bill based on the size of the Legislative
plurality?

> So if all Senators in PA sign a bill the Governor ALWAYS signs it? He
> never vetos a bill signed by any large majority?
>
> Don't you think the effort to contact the Governor would be more
> effective in persuading the Governor and that is a seperate thing from
> the effort to contact Senators?
> > http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/senators_alpha.cfm
> > Click on the links to find contact information.

See above, yet another question.

In fact Phyllis the questions make up a much larger part of my post
than does editorial commentary.

Thanks for your answer which contains pretty much no answers.

I look forward to your next response.

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