Re: PA needs help passing Lyme legislation

From: derdrittemann (derdrittemann2003_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 11/28/04 

Date: 28 Nov 2004 15:37:03 -0800

a_weisman@yahoo.com (A_Weisman) wrote in message news:<e55e6d97.0411272054.514ef546@posting.google.com>...
>>
>> >
> > Education, yes...but not of the doctors, here...of the Senators and of
> > Fauci and Gerberding. Where do you think Fauci and Gerberding get
> > their info?
> >
> > And...I'd like to hear the answer.
>
> "I'm not sure I follow your point"?

What I am saying is that the failure to pursue the research on cystic
forms is a glaring example of bias, in my opinion... and rather than
attack the effects...the fallout of the FEDERAL control...then use the
political influence that you DO have to confront those in control of
the direction and DEMAND answers...and posssibly a change in
direction.

The reason I am so focused on the cystic stuff is because it deals
directly with survivability after the standard course of
antibiotics...

...and that, in my opinion, is CRITICAL to just about everything else.
In other words...virtually everything within the mainstrem view is
dependent on a conclusion that since motile spirochetes cannot be seen
after 21 days...then they have probably been eradicated.

We are talking about explanations for continuing symptoms in the face
of "adequate treatment"...the autoimmune theory, etc,...

...and I am saying that if it could be shown that Bb converts to a
cystic form in the presence of abx...all bets are off...and the
"Steere Camp's Achilles heel" is exposed...the IDSA stuff would be for
s--t.

What I am saying also, is it has been my experience that, in real
life...progress is achieved through reasonable people sitting down and
talking...finding common ground and shared objectives.

Congressional committees have oversight and budgetary roles within the
legislative process...the CDC and NIH are funded through tax payer
dollars and the people have a right to expect that these agencies work
for them...not against them.

The politics of confrontation produces little...except more
confrontation. In real life...results are achieved quietly...from
WITHIN the process.

That's what I am saying.
 
>
> > See, talking POLITICS here...internal politics...the way things
> > ACTUALLy get done in real life.
>
>>
> "What if instead of dressing up in green stuff and protesting speeches
> by the mainstream guys, each person stayed home and ran a bake sale, a
> dinner, a golf outing, organized a walk, a run, or even just held an
> educational event".

Well, here...if you are talking about funding our own research...the
obvious problem is not only the price tag...but the problem that if
you do this...

...the taint on the research that the result was
pre-arranged..."bought and sold" goods, so to speak. (Bake sales)?
Really?

 
> > And...we have already had confirmation of some of this...at Rhode
> > Island U., if I remember right. it's just lying around...no one seems
> > to want to pick it up.
>
> "Dunno what you're referring to"?

See:

http://mic.sgmjournals.org./cgi/content/abstract/146/1/119
>

 "I think the cyst form work needs further research. But in the end my
> > > guess is that while it may play SOME role, it doesn't explain
> > > everything. I think there are a number of viable theories to explain
> > > persistence of infection and probably no single explanation alone is
> > > THE answer".

Don't think of the issue in terms of the scientific merits of the
cystic conversion stuff...but rather, the survivability...that's the
issue...and how critical that is to everything else.
> > >
>> "There are other glaring lapses".

Yes...but this one is crucial to the entire picture. What is more
important, perhaps...politically...is the perception of utter and
complete failure to follow research that is unfavorable to the
mainstream view. We should be demanding an explanation.
>
> "For example, is Lyme sexually transmitted"?

I don't know why you think this is so important...Lyme is famous for
flattening the libidos of both men and women...how's it going to get
transmitted anyway?

Gotta have a spark to cause a flame, you know. Two damp twigs rubbed
together...
> >

> > Don't know...but Steere was...and, as I am told...still is...EIS. He
> > is completely "plugged in" according to this theory.
>
> "I believe there is a cultural issue with EIS but not a skull and cross
> bones, freemasons, knights of templar kind of conspiracy".

(Freemasonry...Knights Templar...are NOT conspiracies. The Masons are
a fraternal organization...NOT a "secret" society. A society with
secrets, perhaps). Could we please not get side-tracked on this stuff?
Screw Dan Brown, anyway...what a horrid, terribly written piece of
crap.
> >
> > What I am saying is that what you are really fighting IS the federal
> > government trying to control perception of this disease, yes.
>
> "Well it is typical for public health to minimize problems".

Yes. And I am really not trying to say anything more than that
here...it is logical to want to dispell panic-driven mistaken
information about new and emerging diseases.

Disinforamtion...is another matter, though.
 
 
> "Yes sure absolutely. EIS has a culture of trying not to panic the
> public".

Right. Exactly. Unfortunately...we don't know a great deal about what
they do.
they are a secret society of sorts...in a democracy.(?)!
>
>"There is an attitude that panic is just as and maybe more dangerous
> than many diseases".

Yes, somewhat elitist...they know what we should know.
>
> "Widespread panic is what they're trying to control first and foremost".

Probably.
>
 
> > A recent "study" about the overuse Lyme tests bore the EIS initials.
> > What does this mean? I dunno...maybe they'd like to answer.
>
> "I'm not sure which one you're talking about".

Look here in the archives...Rita posted..."Appropriateness of LD
Serologic Testing"...8-23-04. Notice the EIS is the second listed
author.

What does this mean?
>
Is the EIS now "coming out of the closet" so far as Lyme is concerned?

Officially an "epidemic" now?

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