Re: In Praise of Lyme Activists

derdrittemann2003_at_yahoo.com
Date: 12/31/04 

Date: 30 Dec 2004 16:56:12 -0800

zipzip wrote:

> "you forgot about LBJ... texan boy. but the only "color" in the
states
> then was black and white, if you know what i mean. but LBJ,
regardless
> of where he hailed from at least was a "real" democrat, in the legacy
> of FDR, JFK and other leaders with three initials".

Yes, and this discussion is scatter-gunning all over the place and is
now very OT...but you see...I did limit it to the last TWO Dem
presidents...as the dynamics have changed since LBJ, dramatically. The
South was still nominally Democratic back then.

> "i agree this red/blue thing is "bigotry", "partisanship", etc. but
is
> it in reality? no, the reality is that it is exploited by the spin
> machine. reagan, who "started" the conservative movement was from
> cali (a "blue state") and bush 41 was from ct (in reality)".

And my point is that it doesn't belong in a discussion of Lyme disease.
Why would you bring this into Lyme? You don't want partisan domestic
politics in Lyme politics...we need all the help we can get...reds AND
blues...whatever.
>
> "the red/blue state thing is a way to polarize people, win votes and
> make television ratings on the news. period".

What? No. The South tends to conservatism...always has. And...take a
look at the map...for all the people who think the Electoral College
should be abandoned...it looks like regional politics are alive and
well. The South will go for the conservative candidate...so does the
West. The rust states tend still to vote Dem.
>
> "p.s. there are plenty of "rednecks" in ny state, and plenty of
> intellectuals in kentucky, tennesee and georgia. some great
> universities there.... in the cities"

So...you see this as an issue of education...culture? The lack thereof
makes you a redneck? Did you notice what I said about the origins of
the term, by any chance? The people who get labeled as "rednecks"
historically, have ancestors from Scotland, N. of England...protestants
from N. Ireland. They are more rural.
>
> "the dichotomy is actually urban-suburban, not state to state. go to
> CNN and see it they still list the polling precints like they did on
> election day. cities voted overwhelmingly democratic, regardless of
> their state. make your own deductions from those facts"

Voting patterns in the US have much more to do, traditionally, with
ethnicity. Urban areas simply tend to be more ethnically concentrated
than suburban whitebreads. The urban areas were the strongholds of the
Dem machines of the post-Civil war immigration era...they still command
some of their former strength there.
>
> > Think about it.
> > John Kerry was like a dildo without batteries...only less exciting.
>
>" and he was still more exciting than gore and lieberman put together.
> and he still got 47% of the popular vote! imagine if he had ashlee
> simpson as his running mate? he'd definitely be president"

Well...whatever. They're all the same guy, basically.

The point is the Dems managed to put up a real lame horse AGAIN. The
Dems are allowing themselves to get dominated by elements in the
primaries that do not mirror the general population. Here, I am talking
NEA and AFSCME.

So stop pouring your resentment out on "red state" people and cleanup
your act...try picking a winner next time...not a weiner.

(Gawd, think about it...the man lost to Bush after he invaded another
country without justification and basically destroyed the world's
strongest economy in the process...and he still LOST). That's how BAD
the Kerry "campaign" was.

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