Re: Inaccurate Information About Lyme Disease on the Internet
From: V.Jean.G. (Tijuana2_at_webtv.net)
Date: 01/09/05
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:44:46 -0800
Re: Inaccurate Information About Lyme Disease on the Internet
Group: sci.med.diseases.lyme Date: Sat, Jan 8, 2005, 3:22pm From:
a_weisman@yahoo.com
brent wrote:
Pure hypothesis. Lyme is given from men to women and not vice versa .
Let me guess who your "llmd" is? Give us a hint, what state or
commonwealth?
This is from discussion with my llmd and the fact that I gave it to my
wife yet my dad (who I assume sleeps with my mom. yuk) never did get it.
Does this mean you sleep with your mom? If not I didn't follow your
vector trail? LOL
Anyway it is FAR different to say PURE HYPOTHESIS (based on little or
nothing by the way other than sheer speculation based on unreasonable
inference from limited invalid data) than to declare as you did absolute
facts!
Makes sence if you think about it.
Do you mean senSe? No, I thought about it and it doesn't make senSe as
you presented it.
IF it happens it does happen to make more sense that it would be man to
woman though Martijn has a very valid point about STDs (meaning STDs
Brent) being transmissible in both directions.
A VERY good point.
So what seems to make intuitive sense perhaps doesn't take into account
the realities of disease transmission. That it isn't just the injection
of semen or sperm into the woman but the possibility of microscopic
transmission during intimate contact, where small blood and bodily
fluids are exchanged, friction leads to microtears and even microwounds
opening the possibility of blood to blood transmission etc.
Seems less intuitive but perhaps not less likely.
Skin to skin contact is
probably not enough to transfer this bacteria.
However during sex small ruptures and wounds often occur, though
microscopic the bacteria is even smaller.
Also if it can happen in semen/sperm it could happen with saliva
exchange too.
I'm not saying likely unlikely intuitive or not. Just listing the
possibilies.
In fact I think the entire thing is UNlikely. Sexual transmission
happens to be a relatively ineffecient means and it seems less likely
for a bacteria to develop this route when there is a much more effective
efficient vector of transmission (ticks) than sex. So in a Darwinian
sense, sexual transmission wouldn't be necessary to survival of the
bacterial species and would probably be selected out in light of the
more efficient vector, particularly considering the difficulties in this
transmission route.
Semen however (Lyme is
everywhere in the body) in the women should do the trick.
Why? The vagina has many secretions which kill lots of diseases to
maximize survival of our species which wouldn't be helped by vaginal
tranmssion being an easy route of infection. So the vagina has lots of
secretions which kill lots of bugs dead right there. Otherwise sex would
be more frequently fatal or produce greater morbidity than it does. So
sex tends to be one of the least common routes of disease transmission.
Lyme being such a highly developed almost smart bug is likely to have
developed other routes.
Yes, I am aware of syphyllis before you offer this. It isn't a perfect
analogy but the point is taken and that is why I agree this needs to be
considered and the failure to do so by CDC is appalling (and newsworthy)
but still consider it irresponsible to claim this to be any type of
proven fact.
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Aids is sexually transmitted and so is Lyme Disease. It's transmitted
in three ways. Both male and female can sexually transmit LD. I still
maintain LD is not caused from bacterium but a slow-progressive virus.
It's a complex disease that affects each individual in different ways..
A normal healthy-looking individual can have the disease as the virus
slowly destroys vital organs and lastly the brain. Since most doctors
are ignorant on viruses (except Aids and Hepatitis), and since viruses
usually aren't circulating in the blood but move into the cells, people
are basically left to fend for themselves. NIH is a joke to say the
least and wonder what they do on the job except give people the
runaround, drink coffee all day and collect a paycheck at taxpayer
expense.
V.Jean.G.
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