Re: Antibotics
a_weisman_at_yahoo.com
Date: 01/15/05
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Date: 15 Jan 2005 14:25:05 -0800
brent wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:11:14 +0100, Martijn <Kw3Ls@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >brent wrote:
> >
> >> How can Bb make it through an abx treatment? One it can
> >> hide in cyst form until the treatment is over.
> >
> >Yes, but why hide in cyst, when ABX do no harm unless Bb replicates.
I
> >see Frank is giving an interesting answer.
Well Bb has to replicate to survive. It does so less frequently than
many other bacterial organisms but it does it. Some strains may do it
more frequently; some less frequently.
And using bacteriacidal and bacteriostatic drugs simultaneously and
using one that kills cyst forms gives one the best spread of coverage
and best hope for eliminating the organisms.
> Frank gave a very interesting answer. Thanks Frank. This kinda sheds
> light on how Lyme beats abx. I did not know this. Got a link for the
> pictures Frank.
>
> >>>BTW, do antibodies kill bacteria that do not replicate?
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, but here's the problem.
> >>
> >> When they B-cells attack Bb to produce antibodies the B-cell
becomes
> >> the prey. Bb kills the B-cell and then wears a part of it like a
> >> cloak. This effectively hides it from our immune system.
It doesn't necessarily kill the B cell when invading it.
And the thing about it emerging again covered in genetic materials of
the immune system (shown in a video) is a bit controversial. I think it
does happen; I believe it. I saw the video.
It certainly would be clever and adaptive to kill the immune system's
cells and emerge cloaked as part of the immune system in "stealth"
mode.
>But people do make antibodies against Bb, so these could attack Bb,
right?
If you mean the antibodies would kill the covered Bb, no, the whole
point is that it emerges cloaked in the genetic material looking like a
B cell so to the immune system it looks like part of the immune system
while effectively killing off part of the immune system.
> Good question. I need to read up some more on what the test to
confirm
> Lyme do. Check antibodies? If there are antibodies the "raincoat"
will
> make them useless. So therfore do some have the ability to cloak and
> others don't?
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