Re: Attacks on Zip Zip

a_weisman_at_yahoo.com
Date: 02/08/05 

Date: 8 Feb 2005 07:15:14 -0800

Oh yes and I might note that, apparently, it is NOT okay for zip zip to
be anonymous; to refuse to provide personal information; to insist on
having his or her privacy respected.

BUT, if you recall, this whole thing began when LymeNUTTERS were
advised NOT to provide personal information!

And that advice was given by someone who is:

o TOTALLY anonymous (tinbrain);

o Who has made numerous efforts to collect the personal information of
others (tinbrain);

So, apparently, for some it is required to give a resume and "prove"
their bona fides, but for others total anonymity is okay!

Not only that but the forum "rules" on their face prohibit much of what
goes on over there (such as selling commercial products or shilling for
them) and prohibits personal attacks (but it is okay to attack zip zip
or arinelli or someone they don't think they like). But these "rules"
are selectively enforced by the IMmoderators.

So zip is condemned as is arinelli for, amongst other things, refusing
to provide personal information so people can track them down!

And once accused, everyone jumps on the bandwagon, assumes all the
(baseless) accusations are TRUE, and the whole thing becomes a vicious
cycle of paranoia feeding itself!

http://w3.uwyo.edu/~dwwilson/twilight.mid

a_weisman@yahoo.com wrote:
> Ok so zip zip is now under attack on the LymeNUT board. This really
> merits a sociological/psychological study!
>
> Anyway, you'll see from this and the follow up threads or related
> threads I'm going to post, that zip is suspected of being, variously:
>
> o a troll (oh my);
>
> o a NY MD who isn't an "llmd";
>
> o a Female psychiatrist? LOOL;
>
> o some sort of researcher or scientist because he or she dares to
speak
> with some intelligence and knowledge;
>
> o against Lymies and llmds (though why exactly is unclear);
>
> It is just amazing. Oh yeah, and zip zip DARED to attack "good
posters"
> and god forbid tinass (that freaking hillbilly moron).
>
> Amazingly no one has (yet) accused him of being me, or arinelli or
> chuck p adams or mcsweegan.
>
> And the LymeNUTTER's "troll patrolers" are busy ferreting out the
> suspected trolls, busily looking up all their past postings, "outing"
> them for the dissenters they are, and censoring the board to be rid
of
> anyone who doesn't preach from the same page in their hymnal!
>
> Check out this URL it explains it ALL!!!
>
> Sort of reminds me of the twilight zone episode where a bunch of
> neighbors start to suspect each other of something unstated and the
> whole town goes nuts!
>
> http://w3.uwyo.edu/~dwwilson/twilight.mid
>
> Ohme ohmy!
>
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> http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/031405.html
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> zipzip what's your story - LymeNet Flash
>
> Author Topic: zipzip what's your story
> Aligondo Bruce
> Flash Member
> Posts: 15
> From: Stillwater,OK,USA
> Registered: Sep 2004
> posted 07 February 2005 15:26
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> Hey zipzip, I'm wondering if you can tell us/email me what your story
> is. We recently had a somewhat unpleasant exchange. I searched the
> archives and notice that you seem to possess extensive medical and
> scientific knowledge yet deny that you are a scientist/ doctor. I
> couldn't find any post in which you specifically detailed your lyme
> history, only dozens of posts in which you answered other people's
> questions. Since you don't allow the email link, I'm asking you
> now...who are you, what's your story. What do you do for a living,
etc.
> I want to know what your specific history is...how long you've been
> ill, all the regimens you've been through, etc. You've extensively
read
> the literature about lyme, and have understood it. But I can't help
but
> notice that when you first appeared in sept. 04 there was no "hey
guys,
> it's me, this is what I've been through" which is what a new member
> normally would say at some point. Maybe you've been on the board
before
> under a different screen name. If so, who were you?
> I would have just emailed this to you, but you've disabled that
option
> and I'm wondering why. Surely you have an email address.
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> zipzip
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 588
> From: ny
> Registered: Sep 2004
> posted 07 February 2005 18:08
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> my personal life, and all the trimmings, is just that... personal.
> i've been unfortunately ill for 2.5 years, Lyme was diagnosed 1 yr
ago.
>
>
> i am not a doctor.
>
> sorry for the prior unpleasant exchange, no harm or foul intended...
>
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> Martijn
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 98
> From: the Netherlands
> Registered: Jan 2004
> posted 07 February 2005 19:08
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> To the people who think Areneli is a TROLL or something, take a look
at
> all the things Aligondo Bruce is asking here.
> Aligondo Bruce must be the ultimate TROLL to you. It's probably
Steere
> himself, don't you think?
>
> LOL
>
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> Lymetoo
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 12705
> From: Missouri
> Registered: Feb 2001
> posted 07 February 2005 19:50
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> zipzip had another screen name....but Lyme Brain here can't remember
> just now...!
> What was it zip?
>
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> oops!
> Lymetutu
>
>
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> Corinne E
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 264
> From: Abbotsford, BC, Canada
> Registered: Oct 2003
> posted 07 February 2005 23:56
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> Hey Aligondo Bruce:
> Zipzip is not the only one on this board without a posted history or
in
> a few cases a most vague story to tell and no email to boot.
>
> It's not the extensive medical background/knowledge that piques my
> interest, but when the word "we" instead of "I" is used.
>
> Even though my eye sight right now and for the past year has not been
> good, my memory has improved. I try to read every post and just
lately
> have been able to answer a few.
>
> Corinne
>
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> twoangie
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 1931
> From: Charlotte, NC, US
> Registered: Sep 2001
> posted 08 February 2005 00:57
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> I have to admit, I'm curious...about both of you.
> I don't care where anyone lives and I don't want to send anyone an
> email or anything like that. What I would like to know is an
> educational background. Some things are coming across as just a bit
too
> authoritative for people who have only been here a short time AND who
> claim no scientific background. THAT is what has had me curious for a
> good while now.
>
> Frankly, considering the topics on this board, I don't think it is
too
> personal to ask esp of those who are expressing themselves with such
an
> authoritative voice. I had to take a break for a long time due to
> computer problems. When I returned and tried to answer some posts, I
> was slammed several times until I finally spoke up and expressed my
> annoyance. After that, things stopped so I made my piece with the
past
> comments. However, I still continue to wonder because when I looked
at
> the history and the writing, things just don't add up...
>
> I'm not trying to 'out' anyone or anything but I am admiting that I
am
> curious as well.
>
> Angie
>
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> zipzip
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 588
> From: ny
> Registered: Sep 2004
> posted 08 February 2005 02:42
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> boo hoo...
> i'm a nice person but i'm throwing the p.c. posturing out the window
> for this post.
>
> the anti-intellectual attitude on this board sometimes borders on
> straight up xenophobia.
>
> there is no 'big brother' here. get real.
>
> my articulation of scientific & medical ideas is nothing more than
the
> comprehension of interaction with my doctors and my ability to
research
> and read information readily available on the internet to anyone.
>
> my email is personal and not public information. i don't list my
> telephone number in the yellow pages either.
>
> there are no lymenet bylaws stating that anyone who wants to join the
> community has to disclose any information of a personal nature
> whatsoever.
>
> my old handle/username was mcpucho and i was called a stinky, little
> troll (and decided upon that i was a female pyschiatrist for no
> apparent reason) so i exercised my right to register under a new
name.
>
> furthermore the stress of rooting out 'undesirables' is detrimental
to
> beneficial healing, both on a personal and group level.
>
> enough said... this is juvenille and inane.
>
>
> [This message has been edited by zipzip (edited 08 February 2005).]
>
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> CaliLymer
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 50
> From: CA, USA
> Registered: Nov 2004
> posted 08 February 2005 02:54
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> ...my two Cents
> Opinions should be taken as opinions. No resume required. My first
> round of docs where professors at a major universiity and im sure had
> great paper credentials. They couldnt help diagnose me.
>
> You should take all info given and make up your own mind.
>
> calilymer
>
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> treepatrol
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 3545
> From: PA Where the Creeks are Red
> Registered: Jun 2003
> posted 08 February 2005 07:45
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> quote:
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> Originally posted by Martijn:
> To the people who think Areneli is a TROLL or something, take a look
at
> all the things Aligondo Bruce is asking here.
> Aligondo Bruce must be the ultimate TROLL to you. It's probably
Steere
> himself, don't you think?
>
> LOL
>
>
>
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> http://news-reader.org/sci.med.diseases.lyme/
> http://www.medscitalk.com/forum8.html
> http://www.pahealthsystems.com/message303866.html
> http://lymesupport.com/smdl/doc1.htm
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/bionet.microbiology/msg/59e51fe4e81e8205?output
> =gplain.
>
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> Continuance of http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/031332.html
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> [This message has been edited by treepatrol (edited 08 February
2005).]
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> trevor
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 161
> From: Seattle and Los Angeles
> Registered: Aug 2003
> posted 08 February 2005 08:05
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> Check this out, emails I've recieved, I'd rather not say from whom:
> I was suspicious of Zip. Something didn't ring true there. So before
> Christmas I read everyone of her posts.
>
> Look who she/he really is:
> http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/029579.html
>
> She/he made a change to the post & evidently put her McPucho e-mail
on
> there. She's Mcpucho & Fed by Ticks.
>
> Here's the post from GENERAL about McPucho:
> http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum3/HTML/010802.html
>
> She tells everyone to e-mail her, but her e-mail is unavailable.
>
> What really was a red flag was when she told TINCUP that her activism
> post was in the wrong Forum (it was about travel advisory). What
gall.
>
> I could give you blatant examples of made-up half-truths she doled
out
> in the beginning------won't bore you.
>
> I still believe she is a "traditional" NEW YORK M.D.
>
> She's endeared herself to many & then later, she shows who she really
> is. She twists everyone's words around & uses them against them.
>
>
> Riversinger e-mailed me about Rashilnov (sp.) because she said
> California has tried to help him. He refuses help. So I thought I'd
> pass this on.
>
>
> I've told COL, Guiney, & Texans ----Jo3 & James. I'm pretty sure
Guiney
> called TINCUP & told her.
>
>
> If someone does a troll alert, the troll will turn it around on them
&
> make them look like the bad guy. She's pure evil.
>
> Her early stuff is really made up------bigtime; about camping outside
> the walls of the Queen of England's palace (from Matthew Goss' post).
>
> The dangerous part is that it's very subtle in some posts, but her
real
> loyalties are there------against Lymies & LLMDs.
>
> She doesn't have LD. She has no heart for sick folks.
>
>
> Just a heads up.
>
> People can say I'm immature (I am), but folks like ZZ shouldn't have
> the privilege of posting on Lymenet with blatant lies.
>
>
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> Martijn
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 98
> From: the Netherlands
> Registered: Jan 2004
> posted 08 February 2005 09:01
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> What's the matter with you people?
> zipzip is posting decent and useful information. zipzip is very OK.
> I really can't believe all these accusations and paranoia on this
> messageboard. It could be due to Lyme, which can cause violent
> thoughts, paranoia and other psychiatric symptoms.
>
> This messageboard is going downhil..
>
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> treepatrol
> Frequent Contributor
> Posts: 3545
> From: PA Where the Creeks are Red
> Registered: Jun 2003
> posted 08 February 2005 09:26
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> Martijn I didnt say anyting about Zipzip.
> Read my posts or maybe you did?
> trevor
> Look who she/he really is:
> http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/029579.html
>
> Thats interesting hmmm

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