Re: Phyllis: Activists Say YIKES We need to KILL the MD BILL! LOL


eugeneshapiroisapig wrote:
> well I would say that most doctors have only been exposed to one side
> of the argument and haven't spent the time necessary to peer beyond
> NEJM and JAMA articles.

Or read beyond the abstract, read the article and read it critically
(think about study design, entrance criteria and the like).

>In fact I would go even further and say that
> most doctors go by what they read in harrison's internal medicine,
etc.

Sure.

> The ALDF has been active in coordinating with medical schools
speakers
> like eugene shapiro who have made it their life's work to create a
new
> class of niggers in this country by which I mean lyme patients.

Without commenting on the "N word" you are right that the ALDF has been
active and effective. And we have not.

> This all relates to an important issue which is the failure as I
> see it of lyme advocacy groups to get their message out in a way
which
> scientific, intelligent minds are able to accept and consider.

Absolutely 100,000% right!

> believe that a convincing case can be made in certain areas to
> mainstream medicine vis a vis topics such as seronegativity and
> persisting infection as entities which DO occur and recast the debate
> into one which centers around the frequency of such events.

Yes. BUT, unfortunately, I don't think this comes via patients
"educating" their doctors. In my experience, the doctors toss out
anything you bring them--they don't want to be taught by patients who
are informed by the internet.

It has to come from other doctors. And there needs to be a substantial
amount of legitimate research work to back it up.

And I think it is going to require a generational change because those
who have been around, have their ideas and aren't likely to be
convinced that they're wrong, no matter how wrong and demonstably wrong
they are (or at least wrong about some % of cases).

> As things
> are now, most doctors are unaware of the existence of these
conditions
> being more than theoretical. Steere is largely responsible for this
> ignorance through his very biased writings and influence in medical
> journals and articles in medical textbooks which really are not
> scientific in that they do not present the good evidence which
> counters his own narrow views and so science becomes propaganda and
> steere nothing more really than a marketing agent for smithkline
> beecham products vaccines, paxil, etc.

I don't blame Steere the same way you do. His bad ideas have sold and I
don't know that he particularly aggressively marketed them, but however
it happened his bad science and worse logic have carried the day.

Of course 60 M people voted for George Bush too so the notion that in
the marketplace of ideas, good ones sell and bad ones don't has some
major exceptions.

> What I was referring to above was doctors morphing into LLMDs
who
> primarily see lyme patients as opposed to GPs who treat everything.
> I think another major factor here is the fear induced by medical
> board prosecutions and problems with insurance companies and derision
> from ignorant colleagues.

I doubt that most doctors are even aware of it.

> Along these lines I would like to relate an interesting story.
> We've all heard of the major LLMD names such as burrascano, leigner,
> donta, etc. but a few months ago I was referred by an LLMD to a
clinic
> in the dallas fort worth metro area which was not doctor moyaad or
> golding stein

I think it is stein goldings

>by the way but anyway I went for a visit and was stunned
> to find a huge "underground" lyme clinic which occupied the large
part
> of a strip mall complex, was composed of several doctors and
> specialists, had its own infusion clinic, larger than that of many
> hospital infusion clinics I have seen. A really massive operation the
> likes of which I did not know existed and I had never heard any of
the
> names of the docs before. It was most bizarre, like I was visiting a
> medical version of hangar 18.

The area 51 of Lyme... LOL

Of course doctors hooked up with IV infusion clinics are suspect in the
medical establishment.

> I was evaluated there and chose for various reasons to stick
with
> what I already had. But what blew my mind was the existence of this
> place, I mean it was weird because I thought I knew everything about
> LLMDs in my part of the country especially. The whole experience left
> me with the impression that for everything that we hear about
> publically there are many things we don't hear about privately, and
> that more than 1% of doctors disagree with steere but do not openly
> challenge due to fears about their own livelihoods and reputations, a
> fear which has been instilled by the steerites with the same fervor
as
> the catholic church coerced belief by the fear of hell.

I don't think there are a lot of clinics like this. My part of the
country there aren't. At least not ones that are unknown.

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